What if... Spork - Steem without SteemIt, Inc

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I fell in love with the idea of Steem and I am still in love with the idea of Steem.

The actual implementation though isn't that pretty and seems to be failing.

What if we could start a new experiment and you were not forced to walk away from everything you have built here?

What if everything you built here could move to a site that feels the same, but functions differently. Better!

What if all decisions were stake-based, but with a much better distribution and tools for determining what the community wants via stake-based voting.

What if we recreated the STEEM economy in a SCOT?

What if every account was copied to this new place with all of your current holdings. 1:1

How about if we SPORK out SteemIt, Inc and Freedom. (Without touching their current stake)

What if we undo the Ninja-Mine and the harm it has done.

The stake in those accounts would be airdropped to a fund to be used for community-driven funding of improvements for the front-end, marketing, and real rewards for those working on training, onboarding and support.

What if the allocation of those funds was a paid position?

What if this new community respected the effort you put in to help build the site and rewarded you for it.

Things we could build:

A new trending page, better features, a nice UI.

Funds for a support desk, training and onboarding

Better curation and more control over content.

What if the downvotes were revamped to require more agreement before graying out a post.
What if the downvoted rewards went to the development fund, along with current witness fees to provide continued sustainable support to be competitive with Dan's new site?

A real marketing budget to create a vision and promote it with professional marketing pointed at gaining mainstream users.

Imagine the stake weights without those top four accounts. What have they brought us? A downvote button and wallet that functions oddly.

What if we could experiment with that and never leave the Steem Blockchain?

What else can you imagine?

What if we could fork out SteemIt, Inc, without a Fork

Let's Spork them out! I called it a SPORK as it is a FORK, but it doesn't touch anyone's current stake it just creates a new economy that people can choose or not. so, it is a gentle FORK without harm.

Let's talk about a SPORK.

@whatsup

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@whatsup,
Seriously I won't think and talk about this at the moment! I am glad those accounts still hold SP, so market price is still hang around $0.4 at the moment!
If we see things without those 4 whale accounts, things can be complicated! I mean your token DRAMA will get more attention coz of battle for the power by others! So this is better and I wish to see SMT hits the ground and that might be the only thing I wanna think at the moment!

Cheers~

Resteemed and upped for extra eyes.

Just wipe out every POW block and the ongoing effects of them, this ensures distribution issue is resolved entirely.

Adbot / Bidbot revenue could be used to directly reward stake and shareholders, and allow a float of that setup via the frontend and token market. Allow realworld money to flow into the environment via fiatpayment for advertisement and promotional services potentially improving the situation for all stakeholders. You could allow this to be disbursed in token of choice depending on stake/share, and automated/enforced/computed properly via the smartcontracts.

Could decentralize fully the governance, allowing superblocks and proposal schema, perhaps also allowing the, some, or the multiple paid positions higher up to have a veto privilege to prevent abuse. (decentralizing that power further and allowing voting on it with full transparency via the chain would be ideal) Think of it like transferring authorization but it allows or denies a certain proposal going into the block and funds being allocated automatically.

You can set up disbursement rates and everything within a schema like this. Allowing ongoing funding of projects, or funding to be terminated if a project goes rogue, keeping the power in the hands of the staked users/entities and one would hope, ensuring operations are maintained in good faith from the developmental and service orientated community members/corps/communities.

Hope this all made sense!
Feel free to query for further clarification.

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At this point it is an idea that I wanted to float and see who is interested and there would be many details to figure out.

I would lean away from wiping POW stake.

@whatsup sounds like a BTC to BCH fork... one becomes two and each users have reasons to choose one or the other. But no harm was done #pypt

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has this happened before @solominer? I'd be interested in hearing more details! competition is great - but competitions where no harm is done??? sounds fascinating! if you write more - please do tag me on that comment so i can come back and read what you say to @whatsup :)

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@dreemsteem happened with other coins, like bitcoin cash.. or ethereum classic.

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A spork is a spoon with small fork-like tines, not to be confused with the splade, which is similar but also has a dull blade on an edge. Both are relatively old terms and the splade used to be considered quite fancy (according to my mother).

I don't think you need to discuss this idea though, you can just do it as it doesn't require consensus from the top20. You can distribute your token in the same way without the top 4 accounts staked and used that amount of your SCOT token to pay for whatever you choose.

Of course, it would mean that the token would have to hold some worthwhile value eventually for people to take it as payment to have things like a real marketing budget, which likely requires it being listed on numerous exchanges with volume, but it is possible. As far as a better Trending, UI and the like, that is all possible now and better curation? What would that look like - that is playing around with the economics which is possible here too.

I don't think this is overly helpful or useful though and in a young industry it seems that the only response anyone has to not getting their way is forking in various capacities. I think that having that stake sitting there has had a stabilizing effect in the infancy and while it is slowly sold off it eventually gets replaced organically. By removing those top accounts, it puts many of those who have have power now (just not as much) in more control with many of them being the largest abusers on the platform. Maybe that is the point?

This is a variation of the "fork out Steemit" conversation and seems driven by the same group of proponents.

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I don't think you need to discuss this idea though, you can just do it as it doesn't require consensus from the top20

No, I don't need to just curious what the interest level would be.

in more control with many of them being the largest abusers on the platform. Maybe that is the point?

The top 4 accounts hold close to 60% there is no one else close to that? I'm sure you are better at math than that? I am also pretty sure those that you are thinking of wouldn't be interested or could do it with out my interests.

This is a variation of the "fork out Steemit" conversation and seems driven by the same group of proponents

Wow? Really? Are you seriously that defensive for steem? I wrote several times about how I would never consider supporting such a thing.

If you get this defensive over a discussion which doesn't have anything to do with any Proponants...? it only a discussion and frankly I'm pretty stunned and a smidge butthurt over where you went with this. It was enlightening though.

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Most of the stake that Steemit has had has never voted. misterdelegation has gone out to Dapps -that is centralization of some kind but they are also the largest distributors and have grown the ecosystem.

This is a variation on the fork and many people who said they wouldn't were still keen to discuss doing it. it is political maneuvering to sway public opinion. People do as they do, regardless of whether they know much or not.

I am not defensive in the slightest, I just gave my opinion on how I see things. For a token to have value it has to have demand in various ways and be listed on various exchanges to have that. to use it for marketing purposes requires that value as a marketing company probably doesn't want crypto, let alone one that isn't worth much. It might be possible to convince users to be a support desk though but then, that is much like @steemonboarding or many of the discord communities are doing now. This would just centralize the support function.

Most of the benefits you mention are possible to have now, including the changing of the economy and distribution, something you have publicly said you are not in favor of as you want Communities and SMTs first. What you are proposing is economical to improve communities so, why not support it on Steem now?

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This sounds defensive :P

Why not support Steem now?

That was not the question: why not support it on Steem now?
It was about the changes in the curve, DV pool etc...

There is nothing wrong with this idea you put forward, it is that it doesn't offer much that can't be done on Steem already other than the large staked 4. When it comes to that stake going to a funding pool, it then has to have value which means it takes time also. Once it has value, it needs to be sold. Who in the community would want to have it dumped at the highs? one of the criticisms of Stinc was not dumping the stake at the highs to fund the lows but if they had, who would have been happy as it would have brought the price down even faster and all those who did sell, would have made less?

This idea can be done quite easily with soe devs who recalculate the pool and distribute to the posts on Steem as they are now with the new token. On some platforms, that token will be the only one used. If it gains in popularity and demand and people don't dump it, it should build in value until that large pool part has value too and can be used for onboarding and marketing etc. This all takes time also and I am not sure if it would be much faster than another 3 years. Worth the attempt though but unless the economics is quite different, it will still have the same community with the same habits and likely, the same issues.

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should i edit? :D

edit: now you see how slow I type.

Hey, @whatsup.

Okay, I give. I tried looking it up and the explanation I found went over my head. So, what's a SPORK. And more importantly, how is it so materially different from a hardfork, the discussion of which caused the kerfuffle earlier in the year?

You also said it wouldn't affect Steemit and Freedom's stake, but then you say the STEEM in those accounts could be airdropped into a fund.

So, I'm kind of confused at what we're going for here on that.

Also, doesn't their SP, even if it's not doing anything, help with the reward pool somehow? And why are we all of a sudden totally against Steemit Inc.? I thought you were actually saying people shouldn't be so mad at the new direction Steemit Inc was taking since no harm has been done.

Am I missing something here?

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So, that is really important feedback, because I am not sure what others would understand and you've given me a feel for it.

Oh and we made up the word SPORK, to get the idea across, but not scare anyone into a power down. (ned) lol.
The "FORK GATE" threatened to create a fork of STEEM that removed Steemit, Inc's stake. Gone... no more.

What this does would be to create a NEW economy, even run it right here on steem. We would drop everyone their stake in new SPORK tokens. Only SteemIt Inc's top 4 accounts would turn into a foundation for growth.

So, we aren't taking anything from them, but the idea is those who wanted to experience a social media site, would not have to start from scratch to rebuild.. They could move with their current status and stake. (everyone would still own their own Steem)

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Okay, so, I got the part of everyone having their own stake, except when you say the top four accounts would end up as a foundation. Is that something they do of their own free will, or just something that happens because of the SPORK?

And I'm not sure why those four are the only ones being singled out. Has it ever been confirmed who the Freedom account belongs to? Ned's on record saying he and Dan don't know. Folks have investigated but haven't been able to figure it out conclusively. Unless that's happened more recent than several months ago when I last checked.

It sounds like to me that this is meant to put the largest stake accounts that some might feel aren't doing enough with it into an account where it can do good, which doesn't sound like it's still their stake after that.

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This is a NEW stake pool. It doesn't touch the old stake pool.

The freedom account is not confirmed, but it does control the witnesses.

Those four are being singled out because they control 60% of Steem and the hardforks and what gets rewarded and they earned their stake in a poorly executed mine.

Since this is all NEWLY created the only point in doing it would be to experiment with how the site functions without that stake's influence.

Nothing regarding STEEM changes. (Except maybe people would rather invest in spork)

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I'm pretty sure Taco Bell made up the word spork SPLINGER now, that’s ours.

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Curation matters and so does the ability to talk about things that some wouldn't like. It's important to balance that.

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I agree with balance. We should always strive to be open minded enough to allow controversy. If we shun that which we do not agree with, we can never GROW.
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"A post by @whatsup, literally getting people to “THINK OUT OF THE BOX” about many a thing, including how our Steem blockchain can be utilized in many different ways than what we have all become accustomed to.

I think that these types of posts are very important for all Steemians, especially those who are stuck on blogging and don’t see further than that. Causing stagnation in many areas as such and in the competitive market of crypto, that is one of the worst things that can happen.
No matter what the topic at hand, “Thinking out of the box” needs to be provoked so that we can move forwards and be proactive and constructive.

This post definitely does that.

Rather than me talk about the post, read it, comment on it and SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS.

Cheers.

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Gonna curate it early. @Whatsup drama should be updated so the people who report dramatic posts early get mire drama.

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:) lol, I'm out here trying to earn DRAMA. No, I just want to talk about the potential off SCOT tokens while discussing an idea.

It might be about time - now who is "we" again?

If the remaining 10 actual people start learning more from the bots than the bots are learning from flagging each other, WE could have some serious issues to work out with ourselves...

https://steemit.com/teamnz/@frot/whydowedothisshit-s77vf09646

Who was "we" again?

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Whoever would want to participate.

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I long for the "more control over content" part

What happens when nobody wants to continue running steem?

IF we attain what steem could've been, but for the ninjamine, how does steem pay to keep up the servers with 75%+ of a coin nobody wants?

Put me down with a fork that takes the two biggest accounts and uses them to cap influence at 500mv.
The cap can rise as the dolphins multiply.

The ninjaminers can keep their coins or stick them in their exchange accounts and sell.
Once we are cancer free we can spread our wings and achieve our potential.

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Interesting points which is why we are imagining it as a first step for discussion.

Isn't your proposal kind of like an SMT driven platform? I mean, anyone can now create their own website using steem as the backend. As it has been pointed out in the comments there are several hurdles to overcome in order to give value to the token. I say go for it.

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Yes, it is exactly like that. In order for it to work and not just be a pain it requires some interest.

While feasible I can't help but feel this would be some sort of "edison" power move where we're taking someone elses invention and not giving them any credit where it is due. :/

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That's hilarious. You have been in crypto right?

Where do you think all the other forks came from?

How about DASH, ZCASH and all the bitcoin forks and what do you suppose open source means?

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I'm aware that crypto is ripe with clones and stuff. Been in the ecosystem longer than I like to think about.

Cutting the head off of a hydra just yields more heads.. In this case forking out the largest accounts still leaves Steemit Inc employees (current or former) with highest amounts of stake me thinks.

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So the issue you see is that we need to spork out a few more accounts?

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Not really for sporking in the first place.. Seems like a divide and conquer thing going on..

Focusing on the chain we currently have makes more sense than trying to hijack it.

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It seems that it's not so much a hijacking but more of a copy paste, as the content and accounts are kept (minus the overwhelming stake concentrated in less than a handful of people) and it will be running along side steem, yet no doubt about it, in direct competition with steem and it seems that no matter how much focusing we do, we are always going to be held back by those less than a handful..

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Most of what is actually holding the blockchain back is trying to come to a consensus amongst high rank witnesses and the Steemit Inc developers to be honest. I know it's in fashion to hate on Steemit Inc but ultimately they are the ones who are driving blockchain level development forward for the most part.

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This isn't about hating on steemit, this is about removing the stake that was ninja mined and which dominates the witnesses votes and seeing how the community would move forward without those things. Frankly numerous top witnesses and large stakeholders have voiced one thing, to the point that it has largely been dropped since there was never, ever, one single response or excuse for non response from both the developers (sneak) and Ned. More hardforks with fewer changes and with no multiple changes to any one mechanism / mechanic. Most have given up on asking for experiments, and we have put up with one hardfork every two years, and at the current rate we will be heading to 1 every 3 years. This is tantamount to digging one's heels in the ground and refusing to assess the state of the economy and community and they, both the development and Steemit ought to not only assess but actually be the ones pushing for hardforks, for fundamental changes to try and tweak and find the best balance in all the different areas. This has been nonexistent. It began with the giant fuck you fork 17-17.5-18-18.5 or whatever it was that prompted the Whale experiment, and it continued for 2+ years, culminating in the second giant fuck you fork.

The problem is as it's been ever since Dan left, that steemit did not hear or care about the shareholders, the witnesses or the community in general, and it has not changed. Development has absolutely nothing to do with changing things like reward curve and other such things, absolutely nothing. We never needed linear rewards, in fact because the most demanded thing before hf fuck you 17, was never even acknowledged by steemit, the Whale experiment addressed it in such a spectacularly successful way that months later when linear was finally put through, even though it was not more than a couple of lines of code, nobody even cared, nobody gave a fuck about the the fuck you forks, but lo and behold that was exactly what gave bidbots their beginning, and Steemit did nothing about it and in fact encouraged and delegated to the problem. With such fuckery. Such faggotry, such belligerent disrespectful no response to what the community was asking, why the fuck are we still defending them, making up excuses and avoiding the fact that they have acted with complete disregard to stakeholders and witnesses alike? Just cut the fucking head off and let's do our own experiment without the disgusting heel diggers that ruined the Whale Experiment, demonstrated again and again that they do not care for more frequent hardforks with fewer changes and no multiple changes to the same thing, because in 2 years of Ned we still have absolutely no idea how any mechanic works in aligning incentives, it's been 2 years of drifting in the dark, zero experiments, zero experience gained.

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That is simply not true and we both know it.

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Your recent loyalty is cute! :) Said with a dic pic and a smile.

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It's not even a clone. It's a second layer on the existing blockchain to track an alternative token.

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Ah, I'd misinterpreted it as a whole new forked chain just without the high level accounts on it..

Interesting idea. Unsure I see the need for it but alas my understanding of the matter is as proven in comments on this thread is minimal.. I'm just going to wish ya'll luck in your endevours and go back to doing whatever I was fiddling with before. :)

I love this new IDEA, I wanna spork!

The economic core mechanics of the steem blockchain is about:


The Vesting Fund
198,760,033 STEEM
396,248,661,693 VESTS


STEEM Per MVests = 501.604 STEEM


With these Mvests comes power, voting power, to vote on witnesses, and to get these Mvests you need to powerup [stake] steem as utility token into Mvests.


Another token [SMT] can never and will never have these properties.

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yeah... it was a fun idea to think through. Sometimes I have to talk about something to make it real in my head.

Pretty sure this is a no go. For one, I'm not willing to put the effort into it.

I don't think I would participate on a "sporked" branch of steem that re-arranged the token holdings of the participants. It feels too arbitrary to me.

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I can totally see that point of view.

What if we start to love each other? :O

............as one of the very few I people respect in this cesspool - do what you know is the best thing to do for you own finances...

....there ain't no heroes in a cesspool - only the gullible - and you ain't that are you..? ( i think not , otherwise I wouldn't respect you so much)

read it, read the comments and it is full of confusion. you want to make a token on stm or steem-engine that would in it's beginning be copy of steem in stake, following, followers, but changed economy and distribution?

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The distribution would remain the same with the former Steemit, Inc.

The economy could completely be modeled after Steem the way it works now.

The actual implementation though isn't that pretty and seems to be failing.

Why FUD? I don't think we are that low but yeah, some things must be disscussed.

Better UI and different trendig filter would be fucking awesome. I just can't read chbartist on trending page anymore, every time i see that i wanna shot myself, literally.
The idea of downvotes being redirected towards development funds is awesome, finally some utility to it..

We should all start thinking outside the box - someone obviously needed to start an avalanche - glad it was you.

Cheers.

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Actually FUD is a tactic that Xerox used to teach their sales team.

I've actually been to a sales training that included how to use FUD. I know everyone likes to label opinions they don't like as FUD, and I guess it could act like FUD, but I know how to use FUD much better than that. :)

(All in fun)

Now seriously, we have the ability now to recreate things in SCOT. I thought it would be a fun thought experiment and also yeah, I'm frustrated with the pace and results and most of the conversations I see around the next up and coming projects.

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I know everyone likes to label opinions they don't like as FUD.

Nah, i'm not that kind of guy, but i've senced a bit of FUD in the post :P
I like to lebel things the way they are, one of rare qualities i possess... Regardless of my strong faith in this project i'm more than aware of current situation... Honestly i favour you in general for speaking about things that needs to be discussed, unlike many others who just keep abusing and waiting for somebody else to solve the problem, you should candidate for witness, would give you my 2 cents for sure :)

I'm frustrated with the pace and results and most of the conversations I see around the next up and coming projects.

I'm frustrated as well, especially when seeing big stake holders throwing inflation on irrelevant things...

Yes, please!!! OMG, yes please! This sounds absolutely fantastic! This would solve so many of the issues I've been talking about recently: Bad Steemit UI, worse functionality, poor strategic planning, undue influence on the network's future path(s). I'd also like to see some control brought to reign in what the witnesses can do in terms of changing the network. I actually think a popular, direct democratic voting system could be implemented so the community and network as a whole have a say in the future of the platform.

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Well, I was curious if there would be interest.

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Oh trust me, I think there's a lot of interest in this concept! I think whether this idea takes hold will be determined by how the witnesses handle the upcoming HF with crap like curation rewards, pool curves, and whatever other nonsense they think will be a "magic bullet" to solve Steem's issues.

Very interesting thought exercise this @whatsup :D

I've been using the Weedcash Network (as krunkypuram) and have a few thoughts/observations:

  • seems like there will need to be (a lot) more development of the SCOT layer before this becomes feasible. Currently there is a lag as a result of this extra layer (eg it takes a number of seconds for the vote to register)
  • Steem Engine as a wallet for managing the 'alternative' Steem token in this scenario will also probably need to be able to handle greater volumes and quicker transaction times than at present
  • Actually, anyone posting to the 'alternative' SCOTsteem (or whatever you wanna call it lol) would automatically also be posting to the 'original' Steem blockchain and would thus potentially be receiving payouts in both 'old' and 'new' Steem (chuckle)
  • it's a brand-new space which is still being figured out (technically, use-cases etc). I think communities will in any case offer - by default - a partial move in the direction that this post is pointing
  • SMT? What SMT? Show Me This - this will be another potential space and it is to be seen how SCOT and SMT cooperate or conflict or compete or just expand everyone's options
  • maybe the Steem blockchain will turn into a mainly autovote zone with folk posting in the various communities
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Great feedback

Okay, so I've read your post and I've read some replies and my conclusion is...I don't know s#!t!
I get the concept of what you want to do, but have no idea how it would work. Would this copy still be the Steem coin or would it be a new alt?

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It would be an SMTish... token, probably a SCOT token at first.

A new front end a new token, same ole Steem blockchain and tokens left unharmed for each user to decide what to do with them.

I will be honest. The goals are good, however, the mechanisms seem too difficult to understand for a medical doctor. I would support it, though

This is certainly an interesting idea that I heard you speak about (I think you were there) at the town hall on msp-waves last week.

One general comment/concern I have for what you propose here and for SCOT tokens and possibly future SMTs is ... is the community just setting up tens to possibly thousands of competitors? How do these tokens help the price of Steem? If the limited amount of crypto buyers out there start buying up SCOT tokens, will this not cause the price of Steem to fall as demand dries up? If witnesses are paid in Steem, how long before this becomes an issue? I know with MIRA the cost will greatly drop, but who wants to be paid in a crypto will falling prices?

These general concerns also apply to the proposal to turn Steemit.com rewards into a new SMT. Aggro (I think it was him) suggested only the witnesses would be paid in Steem but what would the value of that be? If all these SMTs can be converted to fiat directly, I can possibly see these new competitors being a huge weight on the price of Steem. Does my rambling make any sense?

In your proposal here, maybe you don’t care about the value of Steem if the new token also has value.

Maybe I am completely missing the point (I hope I am).

I agree there are many issues that need to be addressed. My personal preference would be to address them without having to do anything too drastic. Sometimes that is not possible though.

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Regarding your general concern... yes there is a chance we will see a lot of competition that is usually a good thing. The tokens should help the price of Steem by trading directly opposed to Steem the same way people have to buy and sell Bitcoin to get into any crypto and also a certain amount of Steem is required to pay for the RC credits. In this case though, the idea is totally to get people to pick this token and leave the distribution problems of Steem as well as the hardfork bottlenecks behind.

I've been trying to address issues for 3 years, I'm out of patience and the clock is ticking. :)

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Thanks for your reply. That makes more sense to me now. I did not realize you would have to buy/sell Steem to get into and out of SCOT and SMT tokens. And I completely forgot about Steem being required for RCs as well.

While I can not say I know exactly how you feel, I can imagine your frustration. Good news is if the spork fails for whatever reason everything is still on the steem blockchain so no harm no foul. Everyone can just continue on as if it never happened.

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Exactly and that would put the responsibility to ensure it was better and thus competitive on the SCOT (future SMT) creator.

Which is a win if it is done right and if not.. just a flop

If it’d be better, who will argue? The most powerful question here is a security of accounts.

Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. That top 60% of Steemit Inc. stake is largely inactive. With the exception of Mr. Delegation they’re not engaging in any witness or reward pool voting activity. Steemit Inc. has largely been fairly good at remaining neutral with their stake. They’re gradually being diluted with the passage of time.

Many of the small colored slivers on your chart are the whale accounts which engage in massive self voting & vote trading seeking to grow stake at the expense of the platform as a whole, but those would remain untouched.

The only things I see being addressed in this proposal regarding balance of power and stake are cutting Mr. Delegation, which while sometimes making questionable choices I believe still positively contributes to a broader flow and distribution of Steem through the projects it supports; and cutting Freedom from witness voting. Nothing else substantively changes.

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Actually, many of the witnesses fear disagreeing with them. Several witnesses also feel like they can't get pull requests past their process and many users and stakeholders feel the weight of supporting the constant sell off.

They can't both hold that much stake and pretend they don't. It's a mess.

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Admittedly I don’t know much of the “backroom” culture... but the witness fear kinda baffles me. Steemit Inc. would have to come in and very visibly put their fingers on the scales to counter current witnesses and officially vote in their own puppets. If that were to happen I know I’d turn from Steemit supporter to “fork them out” in a heartbeat as would many others. I hope that as the new DAC style funding and alliances come along the witnesses will feel more free to do the job for which they were elected, running the blockchain!

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Freedom account nearly solely controls the witness votes.

"They Say" they don't own it.

No one we know owns it. It has nearly perfect control that way.

I don't know who owns it either, but honestly I would rather they vote than pretend they don't.

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I’d love to see momentum pick up for the concept of 1 Steem = 1 witness vote. With 300,000 Steem you can give 10,000 votes to 30 different witnesses or 300,000 votes to one... but not 300,000 votes to 30! Of course we’d be reliant on current witnesses to make their own positions more democratic.

Even without, I’m heartened by the recent example of a witness like aggroed bucking the need for a Freedom vote to be top 20. It shows it’s not an insurmountable obstacle.

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Agree! that was nice.

Honestly! We could actually do this....like tomorrow lol well maybe a little longer, but definitely possible with SCOT bot.

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Yeah the possibilities are there.

Sounds like a great idea to me. I think a lot of people are misunderstanding that they’d lose nothing by trying this. If it fails miserably, no sweat off anyone’s back(except whoever works on it), and if it starts to gain traction it would be valuable in and of itself as well as being valuable for STEEM since it’s still running on a SCOT. Just do it, let people understand it later 😊

It would require very specific consensus on who loses their tokens and what to do with them. It will probably fail. If you do it once, what stops you from doing it again and again and again?

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There have been other ideas talked about in the comments, but there was a specific set of accounts identified in my post and also a plan for those tokens.

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It seems the ninja miners have unfairly rewarded some of their friends. Those reaping rewards from gangsters should not go unpunished.
Also, it seems some people are optimistic this change will enrich them. It needs to be certain that this isn't a robinhood event. I do like that it is palnned to be sent to a foundation alog with downvote rewards.
To be honest I don't agree with the timing of this. To close to the foundation discussion for my comfort.

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It's okay to disagree, nothing has been launched, only imagined.

But then you'd have to advertize it and explain both sp and Scot to users.

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You wouldn't have to explain both. If a user runs across one or the other, it's the same content. If they wanted to dig deeper, it might lead to the complicated nuance, sure.

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Nah, we wouldn't do all that... It would be marketed like a social media site.

People can ask questions at the support desk, when they realize they are earning!

curiosity #resteem
I'm not taking sides here, but find that "soft approach" way better than playing Blockchain pirates. May the best model win and rule out the other - or let Steemit Inc come up with a newer and better one themselves; as long as the discussion stays vital!

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Appreciate you trying the idea on.

Many have talked about this, but there's been no action. If you strongly believe in it, perhaps you should do it. You'll, of course, need to collaborate with 20+ witnesses to support your fork. Until then, it'd be just more talk with no action.

I mean, even the code is done https://github.com/steemdev/steem/pull/1

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No this isn't the same thing at all. We have the ability to make SMT type tokens now using SCOT and Steem-Engine. It doesn't not actually fork it just recreates.

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The method is not important, action is what matters.

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Actually the method is extremely important. It's not a fork persay, it's closer to an airdrop of a new coin that doesn't include the largest accounts.

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Fair enough. The end goal is same, though, and that's what interests me.

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Yes, that is the most important part, I agree.

Go for it. 😁
I dont know who has the skill to do all those features and clone steem but it probably can be done.
Create something that is to Steem what Telos is to Eos.

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GET THE SPORK OUTTA HERE! :)

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You don't want to spork?

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Oh, I wanna spork!

Creating a new coin has a major problem. Steem was mined. Ninja or not, they listed how to mine it on a forum page and that's how it was done then. How do you mine spork? It has to be engineered in a way that's fair and doesn't have abusers coming for the coins. I'm totally for something like this but that's the problem I see. The SEC hates ICO and so does coinbase. The ICO space is so crazy it's easy for decentralized projects to get caught up and removed from the exchanges. Also how do you get this onto exchanges? they often charge 100,000 usd each. That becomes a problem. Then you have coinmarketcap, they want their cut, and so do many others just for a spot on the board.

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It's a direct copy, there is no mine. Just a copy and paste, reallocation of the top 4 accounts into a community controlled fund. No mining, no ico, no sales, no money traded hands... for the initial coin

Yeah, I hear you going forward with inflation and all there would be business laws to take into consideration.

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It's a theft.

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No, because not one share is moved, I think you misunderstand. I would never steal someone's stake.

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So, if I relocate your bank account to community controlled fund and you can't access your money, that's not a theft?

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I think you are still misunderstanding no STEEM will be moved in this situation. I would never take what is not mine. I didn't move anything of their users could participate in either or both or none.

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Sorry. It looks like I'm too slow. Read stupid. That's why I won't waste my time on this subject. Good luck with your effort.

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Okay, but I don't think you are slow. I just think people don't realize we have the ability to copy the financials using the SCOT tokens.

I’m game! Love this idea. :)

Naturally, there would be a number of issues to iron out and, as someone mentioned, a number of Steemit employee accounts to blacklist and reallocate funds from, but hell, I love the idea.

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Floating the idea for support! Glad you like it.

I fell in love with the idea of Steem and I am still in love with people of STEEM

I can imagine better STEEM without SPORK and I might be wrong

Back to Building PushBook Network

Keep up the good work

How about as a NEW platform and off Steem?

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You're upping the drama to new levels! Have a DRAMA.

To view or trade DRAMA go to steem-engine.com.

You are proposing to fork out the biggest investor in STEEM, along with the company that did almost everythig for steem.

So what you are saying to investors out there is, if you buy tons of steem, we will fork you out (spork you out because it doesn’t sound as bad). That will make whales rush over here! (Obviously ironic).

And who will be as incentivized to code for steem as steemit inc is right now? Will you learn to code, grow a company, to improve the blockchain? When you sit on millions of steem all you want is get the price up, because it represents millions. 100k steem whales don’t have as big an incentive.

Just be grateful, hope for the best, and if you want to make things better than all you can do is compete with steemit inc, get better than them at improving steem and amass a stake that is big enough.

It’s their blockchain and that’s how it was from the beginning, you joined and still are here willingly.

Never fork. Never. It makes the currency worthless.

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