How Byteball airdrop is screwing over the Steem community

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How the Byteball airdrop is screwing over the Steem community and what can be done to stop it.

The more I see the aftermath of the Byteball airdrop, the more I reflect on the damage it has done to the Steem community. Sure we all made money, but do you understand the cost?

The cost of an easily exploitable airdrop

There are three negative side effects of the airdrop that will leave lasting effects on the Steem community.

Referral Sniping

The first is the epidemic of users sniping other users referral bonuses. This has become so bad that some users created bots to automatically scan the blockchain for new Byteball addresses posted and send the minimum amount to attest the account. This allowed them to receive a referral bonus equal to the new users sign up bonus 25% up front and 75% in one year. These referral bonuses ranged from $10 to $160, an amount that makes referral sniping irresistible.

Spam and Bot Abuse

Everyone knows the Steem rep system is easily gamed in both directions. Did you know a new account can get (30) rep with around 0.600 SBD and (40) with a little over 5 SBD?

The last few days we have seen a huge uptick in spam, plagiarism, and bot abuse creating new accounts to take advantage of the Byteball airdrop. A (40) account gets $20, $10 and $10 in a year, more than enough to cover the ~5 SBD to increase the rep on a fresh account to (40). Did you know they also get another $20 for referring themselves? A referral gives the same sign-up bonus as the user you sign up paid 25% up front and 75% in a year and you can easily get a referral bonus from your other accounts. This doubles the incentive to abuse the system (both Byteball and as a side effect Steem) to get a huge payday.

In fact one user, @dreamryder007 has done just that, creating hundreds of accounts using plagiarism masked with Google translate into Chinese to create a large pool of Byteball airdrop accounts and accompanying referral rewards for thousands of dollars.

The amount of plagiarism on the Steem blockchain dramatically rose to farm higher rep accounts.

Google Spreadsheet of accounts used to farm Byteball

The above spreadsheet is a list of 404 accounts created by @dreamryder007 and possibly others to milk both Byteball and Steem using plagiarism and spam. This isn't even remotely close to all of it created in the last few days.

(All these accounts have been blacklisted from @buildawhale)

Gateway Drug

I am a firm believer that spam, plagiarism, and abuse are one of the biggest issues on the Steem blockchain retarding future progress and ultimately the price. While the price is heavily tied to BTC performance, without the current issues, performance would certainly be better than it is today as would adoption.

The fact that the Byteball airdrop was so exploitable via the two above issues gave many users the taste of the good life and the life of crime. While many of them may have been bad actors prior, the success and rewards bring justification and empower them to continue further down the path of finding low effort ways for financial gains. We already have far too many users on this path, many of which are profiting quite well.

My thoughts

Minimum Reputation

There are a few things I would have changed in this airdrop, the first is requiring a minimum of (50) rep to take part in the airdrop if it is going to be based on rep. Byteball likely didn't understand how fragile our reputation system is, and how easy to game it is. While (50) isn't difficult to obtain in a very short period of time, it raises the bar to a level that you are more likely dealing with a legitimate user than a spammer.

Account Creation Date

I would have also used a genesis date on the account to be a member for at least 3 or even 6 months. These two changes would have drastically reduced the impact the airdrop had on the blockchain. These two changes issues were addressed in a recent change to the airdrop guidelines earlier this morning.

Getting your hands dirty

There is a lot of spam and abuse going on, you don't have to look further than the first or second page of New to see it. When a user sees another user or even themselves get rewarded with zero or low effort content it has a strong negative influence on their actions in our community.

If one user can make $175,000 USD a year posting YouTube videos when can't I? Why bother writing engaging useful original content when you can automate plagiarism and spam and get similar rewards? Allowing these users to thrive has a massive effect on the mindset and actions of others around them.

Thank you @therealwolf for the heads up and putting me on the trail.

Update

I feel this isn't the last airdrop on the Steem community, there will likely be more in the future. I hope future airdrops do more due diligence when releasing a large airdrop on a community. Most of this could have been avoided completely with a few very simple changes to the airdrop.

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Thanks for yet another brilliant article. You are pretty much spot on in all your assessments. Needless to say, we were of course very well aware of all the exploitable details of this campaign. Particularly the cost of boosting a new user to rep lvl 30 or 40 was a carefully calculated risk. We wanted to make this an opportunity to all Steem users - not only the high reps. We were aware of the leaked private keys from user's misuse of memos and generally had a rather good and detailed analysis on the possible ways to abuse the system.

We were aware, that while some would use the opportunity to just buy a boost, others would perhaps feel a reason to start posting quality content and engaging more in the Steem community, no matter which Steem based community they were from.

We naturally monitored the situation and when the abuse got too high compared to legit use, we moved to make a change that actually implemented some of the suggestions you wrote here. There is now a check for creation date on users, only allowing Steem users created prior to the original announcement to receive the attestation award. The reward for lower reputation levels are halved to make it unprofitable to buy boost.

Then, why on earth didn't we set out with a much might tight and waterproof system from the get-go? Well, the main reason being the ease of use and a wider spread of the word. Having users jump through too many hoops and setting up various mechanisms preventing users from getting rewards would have caused a lot less visibility. The way we did it caused the word to spread like wildfire. I am not sure that would have been the case, had we done it any other way.

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We wanted to make this an opportunity to all Steem users - not only the high reps.

This was an awful “calculated risk.” In fact, I don’t believe it was “calculated” at all. Anyone with just a rudimentary understanding of Steem/Steemit knows that the reputation system is massively flawed, the account creation process/faucet is easily exploitable, and that bots, spammers, exploiters, and outright scammers infest this place.

So this so-called “calculated risk” was then deemed acceptable after consideration was given? Why? In order to sign up exploiters/scammers to Byteball? That doesn’t sound like a promising marketing/growth model. It actually sounds like a great way to look scammy and to devalue your blockchain and tokens.

The fact that reputation scores on Steem/Steemit were used at all is laughable when talking about anything to do with “calculations” and airdrops. There’s a reason why it’s not part of any distribution protocols on the Steem blockchain.

There is now a check for creation date on users, only allowing Steem users created prior to the original announcement to receive the attestation award.

Why this was not part of the original ruleset for the airdrop is beyond me. If the consequences from this bad decision were not foreseen, then I can only assume that having a cut-off date was never actually considered - which means this airdrop was nothing less than completely amateurish. Has anyone on your team ever seen another crypto airdrop before?

Then, why on earth didn't we set out with a much might tight and waterproof system from the get-go? Well, the main reason being the ease of use and a wider spread of the word.

Yes, it’s much better to have people spreading the word that your airdrop was very poorly done and negatively affected both participating blockchains rather than make sure that it was done properly with abuse/exploit mitigation. Because those with investment money and actual development skills/teams love to invest in a good ol’ crypto “scam.”

The way we did it caused the word to spread like wildfire.

Likely in all the wrong places...like websites and forums that spread the word about how easily exploitable the airdrop was. Congratulations, I guess?

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See, the first thing I need to underline here, is the fact, that this isn't just a simple airdrop. Steem users are now an integral part of the Byteball ecosystem. We needed the reputation level, how flawed it might be, as a way to allow ICO issuers, merchants, webshops, bot creators etc. to provide discounts and bonuses to a limited set of users. Users' attestations are posted to the DAG (yes, it's not a blockchain as you mentioned) and it allows developers to provide special services to Steem users.

One thing I can honstly say we didn't foresee, was the internal debate this caused in the Steem community. We definitely had no intention to bring focus to what some apparently believe is a broken system.

Whether or not you believe we knowingly set out to do things this way, I can just say, that to a platform allowing users to build and expand on it just like Steem, we definitely got some attention from developers swooping in to take advantage of things.

One final word on all this would have to be, that the network issues we experienced last weekend, was definitely not planned for! It caused all sorts of problems both to users and to us monitoring the campaign. That's definitely a lesson we've learned for the next campaigns :)

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Exactly. Every discrepancy in effort/investment/income unleashes spammers.

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I love that you took the time and read the post and provided an awesome response to it. Was happy to see the changes made although I wish they were done from the start.

I am amazed at how successful the airdrop was and how many people took part.

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@themarkymark when are you going to after @therealwolf for running a instant vote selling service that robs others of curation rewards?

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@themarkymark when are you going to after @therealwolf for running a instant vote selling service that robs others of curation rewards?

You know that @themarkymark is a vote bot merchant as well right? Peas in a pod, Dude.

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I believe I have proof that bots were used to scan the blockchain. That is a serious 'loophole'.

https://steemit.com/byteball/@em3/byteball-referral-theft-at-blockchain-level

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Yes, it actually took 3 days for someone to create a script that read the DAG (not a blockchain) and "catch" users' transactions of amounts similar to that used to pay the attestation fee. Initially, only a single script was active, but after 2 more days, we saw 5 or 6 more. Today, we decided to end it and remove the fee entirely, reverting to a basic referral link. The scripts caused others to develop ways to "milk" the scripts by generating transactions resembling that of users normal behavior from different addresses. (The headless light wallet allows for that) It was quite interesting to see, really :)

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Thank you for the reply!!

So my friend @public-eye is out of luck? $80 in Byteball (referral bonus) lost because of these scammy programmers???

My Post shows the addresses of these scammers. I hope these addresses are frozen or deleted.

If you can help my friend that would be appreciated....

Thanks!

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Since I recognized pretty much the same by referring someone via discord (no address has ever been posted somewhere) I checked the addresses and they are the same as yours just a few seconds after the transfer I made:

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That is so terrible.

I hope Byteball does something to correct this.... Punish this scammer and still rightly install the referral fees to the real referrers.

We'll see.

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Hope so too.

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Nice Blog

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Thank you for sharing the news on the blockchain. We found this one interesting, therefore we featured this article on our Episode 8 of SteemTechShow!

Click the image below to watch the video:

The only way it affected steemians is the referral abuse. Let's not forget, reputation system is managed by Steemit INC, not byteball, so if its exploitable, its too bad for 'Steemit'.

I love that they chose steem community for the airdrop. You may have gained minimum $80 too through this airdrop. Sure it may be nothing but it's free money, so it matters.

Where the spammers came from? Most probably from this thread, and the invitee of this pattern of abuse is also a steemian here. I'm well aware that once a method is posted on thebot.net, it will be raped to death. Same happened here. Part of the credit goes to this steemian "supermeatboy" for inviting people to abuse the airdrop.

Here's the thread link: https://thebot.net/threads/how-to-rape-the-gbyte-steemit-airdrop.407564/

Edit: Seems like you are not aware that they modified their airdrop rules already. Accounts created after 12th July can't claim the airdrop anymore, but can still refer others and earn. Also, the rewards of 30-40 and 40-50 are halved. Much better than before I guess, but they are yet to do something for referral exploits (mass transfer of tiny payments to hijack referral rewards).

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Agreed with you and @princewahaj and even @themarkymark

There were issues with the airdrop but perhaps the benefits were still pretty good. This allows us and future companies see how an airdrop should perhaps be handled. This is a great test for us. This is how we learn and we can tell future airdrops in the first minute of them posting (or hopefully before they post) what they should consider for the airdrop.

So perhaps we should cool our reaction and maybe change the FUD title to say something like.
"How the Byteball airdrop messed up and how we can learn for the next STEEM airdrop"

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I've seen that post, but it wasn't hard to figure out how to abuse it.

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Exactly, I see it as a exploit from steemit's side and not from byteball (except for referral abuse).

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It is, but education, before the airdrop started, could have prevented that.

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Agreed with that. I think they might not even have an idea of how rep system can be abused so easily. I mean, just look at the invitee on https://steemit.com/@ supermeatboy (don't want to mention him), his rep points are 61. Wow!

On the other hand, we have some good members with great potentials and yet they are below 60 or even 50.

Also, are you aware that they already modified their airdrop rules? No more accounts created after 12th july and reward of 30-40 rep groups are halved.

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But would education have been able to prevent the blockchain explorer bots harvesting new addresses to loot the referral rewards. It happened to me and my friend:
https://steemit.com/byteball/@em3/byteball-referral-theft-at-blockchain-level

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I want to comment on this because I believe that more positive effect has done than negative. I know someone got interested to be in this community because of the airdrop and I believe this is just only a start of more airdrops to come in the future.

Maybe someone who doesn't believe in Steem has motivated because of quick bucks they earned on Steem blockchain. Although there are people who made their many fake accounts there is a possibility that someone created their real account and want to get their reputation higher because Byteball Airdrop based their airdrops on Reputation.

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more positive effect has done than negative.

I agree with that, This should not be at top of trending.

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While the criteria could have been a bit different to achieve a better result, I agree that airdrops like this have a net positive impact on the value of Steem as a whole.

This airdrop won't be the last of its kind. Once SMTs get rolled out, there will be tons of them for various projects probably airdropped to SP holders as well.

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Thanks @transisto there are also people who still can't believe we can withdraw real money out from here but the byteball token was the real test to them to get fiat money out of the system.

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Yes we can think this way as well.

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well said

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I agree with you, if this had any gateway drug effect then it was not mainly to cheat more (there is always some bad apples), but it actually helped Steem community who now hope that there will be more airdrops to Steemians.

What I noticed a lot was people asking how to get Bytes to their Steemit account because their never used Bittrex, UPbit or any other cryptocurrency exchange before, which means that there are many users on Steem who are not familiar with other cryptocurrencies.

There is no better way to boost some community/country economy than having some funds come from outside, import/export anybody? What somebody should do is make a bot on Byteball that let's users to convert Bytes to STEEM.

I think many missed the point of attestation too because the main function of attestation is to have a Byteball address in steem/username format, so others would not need to know any Steem user Byteball address, they could send Bytes directly to their username if they know that this user is using Byteball too.

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Yes please someone write a article about what Byteball is, how to manage to exchange it, etc, etc.

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I have already written several blog posts about Byteball and I might write another one that explains what else you can do with Byteball, check them out.
I have not written anything about how exchanges work because I believe there are many tutorials how Bittrex works.

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Okay, I'll look into those tutorials. This is turning out to be a lot of work for a few pieces of steem.

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Completely agree with this. It will benefit all the parties involves- byteball, steemit and the users.

You are doing a lot of good things here on steemit. That´s why I can forgive your byteball shills. Despite you not even apologizing for it.

You guys (like witnesses) should have seen that. I have no clue about the technical things of steem/steemit/byteballs and even I understand your explanations. Is it really that hard to foreseaw what just happened?

Somehow you guys can see through the technical stuff of a scammy Jerry Banfield SMT despite SMT not even being released. But you can´t foresee that people will create low reputation spam accounts to grab the airdrop.

lol

No one of you guys who shilled this (useless shitcoin btw) cared about it. You were just greedy. Hoping to make some thousands of dollars of easy cash.

Now when others stole your not hardly earned money you suddenly turn mad and complain.

I don´t feel sorry for you at all.

And btw I think you guys should not give the responsibility to Byteballs. I rather have greedy witnesses than witnesses who have no fucking clue how steemit works. Because if you say it´s all Byteballs fault you admit that you are too stupid to have seen it coming.

I won´t unvote you as a witness. But you insult my intelligence with your behaviour right now.

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To think that we had no idea exactly what types of abusive behavior we could expect to see would be quite ignorant. We needed this to make a huge impact and spread like wildfire from the get-go. That definitely happened.

Obviously, I have to disagree that Byteball is a shit project and GBYTE is a shitcoin. There are actually quite a few rather interesting use cases that people who take the time see beyond the "free money" would learn. I saw this one from a Steem user today: https://steemit.com/byteball/@teamhumble/88ya1df6 - interesting to see someone actually taking time to look at what some features could potentially be used for.

The campaign definitely brought the problem of plagiarism and spam into full spotlight. Needless to say, that definitely wasn't our intention.

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I think you all did quite well. You made a huge splash. That much attention would have cost way, way more with traditional advertising. I myself am will be using your crypto sports betting.

Most people on steem have NO CLUE about business, just an fyi.

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Are you a part of the byteball team? Just curious

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No one of you guys who shilled this (useless shitcoin btw) cared about it. You were just greedy. Hoping to make some thousands of dollars of easy cash.

It is not greedy to take advantage of a good opportunity. There was a clear advantage to both parties, users referred made a lot of money (for some as much as posting on Steem for a year), so I don't see it the same as "shilling a coin" as that typically is only for the shill's benefit.

Now when others stole your not hardly earned money you suddenly turn mad and complain.

My concern was l the fact users (who felt they were anonymous) went around acting as thieves. I researched users who did this on most Byteball posts, not only my own. While I am of course upset people stole most of my referrals, I was more upset so many users felt it was ok to steal from other people.

I rather have greedy witnesses than witnesses who have no fucking clue how steemit works

A witness is just another human Steemian, we have lives, interests, and want to make money. Anyone convinces you otherwise is likely lying or delusional. If I felt promoting it would have harmed users or only benefited myself, I would have never said a damn thing about it.

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Both you, and @themarkymark bring up some valid points, as I see it.

Big kudos @noobsin to "tell it like you see it". Steemit needs much more of this: people feeling free to speak their mind instead of fear to get flagged. And that says nothing about my own perception, whether I agree with your points or not.

Indeed @themarkymark is doing a lot of good things on Steemit, and despite a few "provocative words" here and there written by @noobsin , I think you guys more or less agree on a lot of Steem-related issues!
You could become best friends even! :P

Steem on!

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One of the big problems of steem as I see it is that there are too many pathetic bootlickers who say what they think they will be rewarded for rather than maintaning moral integrity

So quite refreshing to see both that there are still users that say what they actually think and people with a lot of SP who stand and defend their opinion rather than downvoting the hell out of people for speaking their mind

As to the users abusing the airdrop as in stealing referals claiming the attestation fee multiple times we know who many of them are I dont think its right the let them maintain a high rep score simply downvote the fuckers into the ground

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The trick is to maintain moral integrity without being a jerk about it. I think many people find that level of diplomacy to be impossible for them.

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There is also a fairly large amount of people who will say just about anything as long as they believe others will upvote

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Perfect response.
Good to see there are people out there brave enough to call out the bull.

Well done.
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"On a related note I would include the SBD pump here as another example where the community got high on free money and were blinded to the long term costs to the Steem Blockchain."

The real long term cost to the steem block chain is massive mismanagement and poor design. Who in there right mind designs a system and then punishes people for using the system the way it was designed .... and expects to grow.

For a fee I will tell you what can be done to make steem a top crypto currency :)

Also I do a free daily vote giveaway, drop by for some free $$$$

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Exactly.

I think you really point of byteball developers did not understand steemi that when they announced the requirements to receive airdrop. Like you mention the developers should immediately adjust the requirements like taking into an account's age.

Thanks for the post. Hope this doesn't spread any worse than it is.

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Or maybe they knew all too well? Have you consider that?
Original blog post stated very well that rewards for lower tiers would most likely to be changed.
You can't introduce too many restriction too early when it hasn't even gone viral yet.

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tarmo888 you will find out most people and even whales have no concept of How To Business

As a relatively new user I was disgusted by all the abuse. However I don't agree that making the airdrop more exclusive would be better for the community in the long term.

I definitely agree that it would have drastically reduced the abuse in the airdrop, but people like me would not have been able to participate. And I'm sure there were at least a few real people gained thanks to the airdrop.

There will always be those that game the system. That just highlights the need for more people like you who spend the time to weed them out. You seasoned people understand how to deter these abusers, and you're effective at it, without having the tools of a fascist platform like failbook.

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It was exactly because of users like you, we decided to start out as we did. Obviously, we knew exactly what would happen, but had we started out more exclusively, it wouldn't have got the attention it got. When the abuse became too much, we made the change. But hopefully, we got a lot of "real" users on board too by doing it the way we did.

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I really hope that this airdrop is a huge success. It will attract more projects to organize such contests.

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This is nonsense actually, even those abuser create multiple account to receive the referral reward, they still need to have multiple device to get the reward.

If the sponsor device address is the same with the attestator device address both will not get any reward.
will people waste his time buying more device just for the sake of 10$ bucks?

I know your concern about the steem block chain, but the airdrop not make any damage as you see, actually it gives more exposure to steem blockchain.

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they still need to have multiple device to get the reward.

Actually, this is not true. You can create a wallet, do the airdrop, backup the seed, blow away the wallet, (if on PC you got to delete folder aftering doing the uninstall, on mobile you just delete and reinstall app) and reinstall the app and do the next one.

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Possible but could be detected, again, the device information cannot be change, even they delete the folder the device information will still be the same as the first one. and I know byteball team is fighting the every possible abuse.

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Possible but could be detected

Not "possible", it's a fact. I registered both of my main accounts and I know others have done tons. Detected? Doesn't matter, abusers will dump the funds onto Bittrex almost immediately. Even if they lost the smart contract funds, they still make out big.

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You are correct!

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You are absolutely right. To think that this behavior was completely unexpected by Byteball is a bit naive, really. As I wrote in a comment to the article, we just might have put quite a bit more thought behind this than people gives Byteball credit for.

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If you delete your wallet, the steembot gets rebooted with the new wallet on the same device and you can attest with a different account. I don't think you can keep your smartcontract rewards unless you go back and restore all the wallets in a year. There is no way of dumping private keys from the wallets.

Reputation level 50 is a long way off for me.

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There's always something wrong with airdrops, this is why I stopped participating in them. Plus, whenever there is free money, abuse follows.

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You have certainly made the right decision. Quick money schemes always attract the worst kind of people. I have not participated in this airdrop and have no intention of doing so. I feel sorry for those that need to resort to cheap stunts just to make a couple of hundred bucks.

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its the wild wild west

They change to "referral system" only!
You're back in?
https://medium.com/byteball/byteball-steem-attestations-now-referral-by-link-only-8ec6c79276b5

The coin itself seems safe. It was just the kind they handled this ref thing.

What we need at steemit is better control over ones own posts and feed. Something like a real "block" function to add such kind of spammer lists you've provided.

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Nice, I think this is a good move. I also like the other changes they made.

I already get my Airdrop bytes @themarkymark

I can't believe the cheek in making all of these accounts!
@dreamryder007 you are an asshole and are leading a bad example for others to follow.

Voted for witness ..

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Thanks, it was time ;p

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Sure we all made money, but do you understand the cost?

Well said. It would be great to see the Byteball airdrop as a use case for Steem that we could hold up to the Crypto community of a successful airdrop where they achieved an effective distribution of their token to a community of potential participants, with minimal scamming. Given what you describe in your post I am not sure that is the case.

On a related note I would include the SBD pump here as another example where the community got high on free money and were blinded to the long term costs to the Steem Blockchain.

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On a related note I would include the SBD pump here as another example where the community got high on free money and were blinded to the long term costs to the Steem Blockchain.

We are still feeling the effects.

Thank you @therealwolf for the heads up and putting me on the trail.

Pleasure is all mine. Even though it sucks to invest multiple hours into sh*t like that, it was quite entertaining to do it with you.

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You run a service that sells instant votes to rob others of curation, tell me again how you are noble?

I wouldn't say the airdrop did damage to the community.

What it did was show the real face of many of its members!

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Exactly what i said. The people were corrupt before the #byteball airdrop.

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nice post,

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Bots are the biggest problem in social platforms, they are a problem to facebook, to twitter, to steemit, bots need to be banished from social media with any sort of means

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I have heard that there are one or two good bots but I agree with you that it would probably be a better social world without them. Unfortunately the genie is out of the bottle and I fear we are stuck with them.

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i assume you are right, it depends on the steemit or other social network developers and their communities, if they accept the bots, or want a free bot network, im sure defence systems could be developed to identify and ban bots

ofc a monetary system causes ppl to become greedy, hence the application of bots is so popular, it is difficult to answer, i guess you can only tell once you have a social platform (tokenized) up and running that is trying to block bots 100% and see what is the difference in user experience (i know sapien.network will attempt it) in the end, the user decides and not a wishful idealogy haha

Now steemit will have to be very strict against spam writers to protect genuine writers.

wow many make soo much money easy and me cant reach level +30

Haha. It was a matter of time. How long does it take people to find a way to game the system? Not long. But honestly who cares? Its byteball that needs to worry not Steem.
The only thing i see bad here is byteball posts taking up trending spots and referal link spam in my comment section.
But its always the same thing really. If you dont earn on Steem you resort to "criminal behaviour". Its really not "against the law" but its shitty and exploitative.
Its on byteball. At this point iitd be great if they shut it down and gone away.
Whats done is done.

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Yeah.

And all these things that happens from time to time helps the network become more resilient and learn more about human behaviour. The ideal is that the reward pool share out works so well at giving everyone a slice of the pie that there is just no incentive to try to game the system. As we saw with Spotify. It made it so easy to play by the rules that little people has incentive to go download something illegally.


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I will not blame this on the #byteball airdrop, rather on the nature of some people. They were of low morals before the airdrop. It was only a matter of time for something to make it show.

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I think it's a combination of both. It could have been done in a way that most of this would have been prevented, it was short-sighted.

Another point of view is that perhaps the whales and dolphins lost their focus for a while too and a greedy mist descended in front of their eyes as they grabbed handfuls of referrals....you don't even need anyone to send you the bytes, you can attest yourself at a small cost.
Some may say, all the recent gripes about the airdrop is just moaning from people who had their referrals gravytrain hijacked...
It's a pity no one had thought of this when the first post was made by the Byteball team, but it was too late. Were there no background discussions between Byteball and Steem inc beforehand?
Is there an ethical difference between members taking the piss and creating millions of new accounts to make money to members desperately trying to get their hands on referral cash by offering to 'help' others attest their accounts ? Not sure there is.
It's a whole sorry affair that has again shown humanity at its worst.

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After the Bitconnect desaster no one ever dared to shill any coins on steemit again I thought. Byteballs desaster is by far not as terrible as Bitconneeeeect. Yet the actual teaching of Bitconnect is to fucking properly research the shit that you promote.

My feed is full of shills since 2 weeks or so. From people who I thought are legit and good users. And the reasoning behind the promotion is like "I can´t guarantee that it´s good, but I really think it is because hurr durr".

Just another omen that steemit is going downhills.

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What a great reply. Thanks for taking the time to comment :-)

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Exactly, I am also seeing that people who complain most about the referral system are the people who profited most from these referrals, who made the referrals their "gravytrain".

Some even say big words like "they supported Byteball airdrop". I mean, what kind of support is that if you just making money from the referrals? Support would be if you explain the users that: "hey, you don't need any funds from somebody else, you can do it without my referral" and "here are ways how you can use Byteball with Steemit".

Most people missed the point of attestation too because the main function of attestation is to have a Byteball address in steem/username format, so others would not need to know any Steem user Byteball address, they could send Bytes directly to their username if they know that this user is using Byteball too.

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Totally agree mate, but Im just putting it down to a temporary loss of judgement in this particular case as @markymark is consistantly a great poster and top bloke who gives an awful lot of time and effort to the community and is my top witness.....some of the other whingers however.........

The bot does not work very well! Maybe I was late.
My idea was just it is a good idea to help people asking for money! Nothing bad about that.
A bigger problem was the spam and all those greedy ref-hunters.
Latest news is they stopped the "Referral game" now.

I do not see any weakness or possibilities to hack the system itself! Your Money is safe and can be spent in a safe it. Guess it is my favorite Alt-Coin now.

You've had my vote a long time I believe. This article is why. I had no idea byteball was harming steemit. @enchantedspirit and I jumped straight onboard, as was our right. We, of course, are not part of the problem. Is there any way for steemit itself to enforce the rules you suggest in a future airdrop?

Trust me, I'm a doctor.

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Hit the nail on the head again, the biggest, #1, by far problem here is spam accounts, people having thousands of them. Why not ad a captcha type system to have some level of proof of humanity. @abh12345 does an interaction league every week and his data and similar data is a great start to real interaction. Although based on his preferences at how he would like to see steemians interact, it provides a great deal of accuracy in how much people are on steemit, leaving legit comments, doing legit posts, interacting on other posts. To find a suitable algorithm to not take away an account but to cripple it if it meets certain parameters of looking and talking like a robot. I would be offended if I were put on that list, but I would surely prove my humanity very quickly to those that headed up the operation. Pretty hard to write 10,000 genuine reply letters for you account being crippled/cut in reputation, or whatever the method to fix this problem that is out of control here on the platform. Ask the byteball people if we have a spam account problem, they could likely give you a pretty educated guess on that already.

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@themarkymark Where can I reach out to you, want to ask you something?

Could you please explain what steps or solutions the steem witnesses are taking to fix this "fragile" and "easy to game" REP system that is currently in use? That would seem to me to be a sort of important issue for the future.

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"Reklamın iyisi kötüsü olmaz" - There is no such thing as bad publicity.
This is the 3rd post about byteball from you for example. Few discord servers raided by byteball conversations and etc. If they choose to do what you are suggesting right now. They would accomplish a "successful" airdrop, by spending less but reaching lesser. I wouldn't bother to ask for an invite if I didn't see everyone was talking about it.

Everyone knows the Steem rep system is easily gamed in both directions.

Yep everyone knows it so I assume they do too.

Why bother writing engaging useful original content when you can automate plagiarism and spam and get similar rewards? Allowing these users to thrive has a massive effect on the mindset and actions of others around them.

I'm not a writer but out of curiosity how many people actually earning something with their content here?
I'm following a few creators they keep writing daily, but even their earnings come from bid-bots, or self-votes with delegated powers. Such as this post.

Maybe people should stop presenting this place as "Earn with publishing blog posts", "How much did you earn from Facebook so far".

Come here, invest some, play the game, earn some and get out. Would be more appropriate.

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Thank you @oups for your contribution...of a truth I don't earn anything on steemit. Great post

This is nothing but the truth.

More damages has been done to the steem blockchain as a result of this bytes airdrop.

One more thing to those solutions you mentioned up there is that no matter the age of the account, if an account is not active for certain period of time, it shouldn't be considered at all.

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agree

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The present form is only a down to business usage with a specific end goal to get the device out to everybody as quickly as time permits, yet after some time I would like to grow the site to be a far reaching asset for new and even experienced Steemers to figure out how to advance their function on Steem.

The byteball airdrop could only have allowed accounts created by steem. This would have solved the multiple account problem.

steem will recover :)

I agree with you. This airdrop gets more and more annoying every day. I never have blocked so many people on discord before. Copy pasted messages to ask for the fee or to offer help to claim my rewards. What the hell should I do with a coin like this? Its traded only on three exchanges. I can't pay with it anywhere in the real world. It just looks like another useless crypto currency which gets hyped because of an airdrop.

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When it comes down to it, making money is #1 in crypto and technology is a far 2nd. Although many claims their motives are the reverse, it is almost never true.

Free money is free money if your local pizza store has a free pizza Friday, would you take advantage of it?

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Yes probably but I wouldnt go to all my neighbours in a 20 km radius and annoy them multiple days that they can get a free pizza. Not even if it would mean that i could get an extra pizza for each new customer. I get paid in crypto so i partially agree with you that #1 reason fo doing crypto things is the money. But all this doesnt change the fact that this airdrop had a negative effect on the community imho.

yeah bro that's true byteball has ruined our whole steemit community by spreading spam and fake accounts already ...
but many peoples have also earned something which will surely help them to succeed somewhere

@themarkymark

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Byteball is not spreading anything, Steemit users are doing that.

I tired to keep up to date with many of the post about Byteball and most of them are really really bad, people just posting the same process of how to get the free Bytes over and over again (only difference, every body included their own referral link, everything else is same).
Only few actually looked into what it's about, everyone else were just blinded by free money.
Fake accounts were on Steem already before Byteball, also spam bots. I still keep getting messages from same bot advertising their service every time I promote any post. Steem is full of upovoting bots and reputation is a joke because you can buy it.

There's always something wrong with airdrops, this is why I stopped participating in them. Plus, whenever there is free money, abuse follows.
Maybe someone who doesn't believe in Steem has motivated because of quick bucks they earned on Steem blockchain. Although there are people who made their many fake accounts there is a possibility that someone created their real account and want to get their reputation higher because Byteball Airdrop based their airdrops on Reputation.
Another point of view is that perhaps the whales and dolphins lost their focus for a while too and a greedy mist descended in front of their eyes as they grabbed handfuls of referrals....you don't even need anyone to send you the bytes, you can attest yourself at a small cost.
Some may say, all the recent gripes about the airdrop is just moaning from people who had their referrals gravytrain hijacked...
It's a pity no one had thought of this when the first post was made by the Byteball team, but it was too late. Were there no background discussions between Byteball and Steem inc beforehand?
Is there an ethical difference between members taking the piss and creating millions of new accounts to make money to members desperately trying to get their hands on referral cash by offering to 'help' others attest their accounts ? Not sure there is.
It's a whole sorry affair that has again shown humanity at its worst.

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that's cool in some how. I don't like plagiarism but I like money like everyone. Shame that I get lost since I created this account! :(

We should learn from it and.... Let the past bury the dead.

yea, i might not be onthis blockchain too much longer as it seems to be for bots and self serving whales who circle jerk and nobody needs that.

I'm glad I didn't invest any real money until I did a couple of months on here, and so far, I really don't see any reason to invest any rwc for this. Yes Steem could be wonderful but right now it's just for those who know how to game the system and it's not helping the avg steemian......

I'll just keep doing more research on the platform but so far, I'm not liking the results, the platform is a great idea, the participation is lacking.

Anyway, thanks for reading this comment
Have a nice day and Steemon

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I think bullying like similar to what happened with Banfield is a bigger problem. Reminds me of Facebook and that is sad.

I see some genuine problems with how byteball is organizing this. Why is there is no time limit mentioned about when will this end ?

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Such issues can arise. I see that the people participating in Airdrops are becoming smart and thus projects have to be one step ahead to avoid abuse.

Whenever there is a loophole, there is bound to be people who would exploit it

I like the way they had added comment in updated rules that they will keep making necessary changes. So basically, the spammers will be dealt with based on what new approach they use now.

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Will you help get a reputation of 40? I miss only 0.4 rep

hi nice info @themarkymark but i have only 25 reputaion how can i get free airdrop

I agree with referral abuse. I know a friend who knew about byteball, and shared it to our community. It resulted to betrayal among his mates who he had shared with the said program.

The scheme was, my friend was the one who teaches the newbies how to use the program, but little did he know, he was already taken advantage by someone he knew. You already what I mean, so yeah. I could say it's a little toxic for friendship's.

It's good to here about this update, Steemit block chain is one of the best block chain. Yet people like #dreamryder007 are misusing this block chain to earn more and more.

Everyuser should support our witness to keep safe secure and strong Steemit.
And there is place for scammers. Steemit will be neat and clean from scammers.
Byteball is one of the best Coin with very less supply and it has huge potential. But after launching free airdrop on Steemit people started doing wrong to earn more n more airdrop coins.
But I think new changes with Help to stop scams in Steemit platform.
@themarkymark, you arethe only witness whom I strongly support..
And I noticed that there are lots of changes done by you on Steemit to keep it scam free..

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I guess some of them have already done to stop gaming the system

To be eligible for rewards the to be attested Steem account must have been created on July 12, 2018 or earlier;

Accounts created after July 12 can still refer other users and earn referral rewards, just not attestation rewards;

Rewards for the rep 30–40 and 40–50 brackets have been halved to combat the profitability of buying upvotes to boost your reputation.

Check Here : https://medium.com/byteball/steem-attestation-announcement-modified-rules-4d1bc4bf4458

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I mentioned in the post they changed the guidelines, but not completely to solve the problems.

This blog looks quite helpful for me as I was thinking of Byteball. I am not sure if we are taking step towards Spam !!

Hey @themarkymark thanks for such post. I sincerely argue people to stop spamming in steemit platform in the name of byteball. Now a days there are dozen of posts across steemit in the name of byteball giveaway.
we must stand together and
We must support our platform instead eyeballing for such few dollar deals. May be in future steemit team does something to prevent this but as of now I support you in this cause request all my friends over here to support.

I guess I should feel proud of myself for being too lazy to bother with that airdrop.Clearly my laziness is an accomplishment, and everyone should try to do what I do, as it's the only way to feel this damn good about yourself.

I don't think these are issues caused by Byteball. Those issues were already in the blockchain. And I'm almost sure they will remain to be here for a long time.

For example, this again proves the account creation process sucks!
Doesn't matter if the accounts were approved by Steemit, although that would makes things look even much worse!
Were all those accounts approved by Steemit?

Even if those new accounts were bought, then it's still a big issue. Cause most likely a witness made this possible. or at least someone else was.

I could see the abuse happening especially when someone created a post with their referral link. Other users were then stealing the referrals by hijacking the comments section on the post. They placed their links for the referrals on the comments section which is a little underhanded.

Thank you.
I am amazed by people that can track this stuff and then creare a post about it. I am not on here enough to track this stuff. I just want to read educational material that is well researched and share information that I believe is helpful. Exploits like this deminish the credibility of this system.

There are so many places to scam on line, why leave just a few alone.

Why cant we get along?
Because we choose not to.

We have created a world system that creates the feeling that “you have to fuck people over to get a head.” We perpetuate the dog eat dog reality to justify our the end justify the means attitudes. And then that person dies of cancer

If we want to make the world a better place for all - it begins with you!

a deep and very argumentative study I like the way you describe your views

this is the best of oppurtunity given by this platfrom , i am sure this will also motivate people to work on this platform

Re-steeming, and you have my vote for witness tmm.

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Thanks :)

How to grow this platform??
I'm new here.
@themarkymark

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cool

Hey guys follow me for trending ICO reviews:)

lol.. a very true post

Well you’ll agree that more positive effect has been done than negative.

Well looking at it from a female’s perspective, a lot of people had gained from this airdrop even if it by crook’s way but it was a way brought out by the Airdrop and steemit themselves. Do you not think they know what they are doing?...

Remember when BTC was first trending too and a lot of people complain about others mining and they are buying it. It’s not about.

If you want to make money with you airdrop you have to loose some and create something like a backlinks and I don’t think byteball’s backlink is ever a demerit to anyone

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Not qualifed ... :( :( :(

pls upvote to uplift my mood. :)

Steemit will grow inspite of this

I agreed with the author. To avoid the spammers in steem blockchain atleast 50 reputation idea is solid to do so.

Very interesting, It is a shame that these people can keep getting away with this, I am following you now, please do the same

I am following you

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I really agree with what I read this.

having to be a member for 3-6 months to participate probably would have stopped most of the abuse

i up vote.......... please up vote my post

You're a good one!

I strongly agree with you that spam and plagiarism are not very good in this steem community. The effort is very low and hurts the desired goal.
Hopefully the members who do so can be aware of their errors and require firm action.

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I did not get my bytes too when I downloaded it. What could have gone wrong?

interesting remarks - will read through it and push it through German steem community @herrmanns.weekly

i hope you help me to reach reputation 30 by votes
this is my address to send the fee
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thanks

You have posted a very improvidence write. i think this is a post from it you can take some spacial knowledge. Such as

  1. Referral Sniping
    2.Spam and Bot Abuse
    3.Gateway Drug And most importance thing is number
  2. your thought ( which is really loved by me )
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I saw Byteball changed the rules so your account needed to exist for a while and you got less for lower reps, but it was too late to catch some. I expect they learnt something from this experience.

How are people creating all these accounts? Do they buy them? I heard that some people created hundreds via the standard signup and others paying people to create accounts for them. HF20 is supposed to help matters, but I'd hate to see a flood of spam accounts.

I've done fairly well from Byteball, but I know others nabbed referrals that were aimed at me. That was inevitable.

Maybe companies need to work closer with Steemit Inc and/or some whales when they want to run a promotion like this.

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To believe we had no clue what would happen would be rather naive. And to think there was panic when users started buying rep boosts or launching various bots couldn't be further from the truth. Distributing millions of dollars worth of cryptocurrency isn't something you do just from a quick idea ;-)

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"Distributing millions of dollars worth of cryptocurrency" - what the?

No you didn't. You just distributed millions of tokens. What they are worth is time relative.

6 months ago it was 10s of millions of dollars, today millions of dollars, and tomorrow maybe PEANUTS.

More concentration on distributing your tokens as tokens (all the best with that) and less discussion about giving out free money would be a positive move (unless I've missed the post where you state you'll be on a street corner somewhere handing out bills).

Just my 2c
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If people are willing to pay millions of dollars for them then they are millions of dollars worth of cryptocurrency. If it is tomorrow worth maybe only peanuts then this distribution distributed peanuts, but since it has been going on already a week and many users have cashed out the part they can cash out now (some have even payed for their breakfast with it) - it will never be just a distribution of peanuts.

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