Conspiracy Theory: An open discussion

2년 전

symbol3448099_1280.jpgOK, so several of the threads that I am involved in had me accused of being part of a grand conspiracy. It got me thinking that it would be really interesting to have an open discussion around what Conspiracy Theory is and what others thought it was to them. I'm hope my accusers will join in the discussion.

I figured we should start with a generally accepted definition - I went to Wikipedia for that and this is what they have:

A conspiracy theory is the fear of a nonexistent conspiracy or the unnecessary assumption of conspiracy when other explanations are more probable. Evidence showing it to be false, or the absence of proof of the conspiracy, is interpreted by believers as evidence of its truth, thus insulating it from refutation.

If you can agree to that definition and would like to participate in the discussion let's begin.

Oh, wait, just before we begin let's layout a few guidelines first. I'm hopeful that if you participate we can all do so in a mature manner, we won't get personal, we will ask relevant questions, our answer will be relevant to the questions to the best of your ability (sometimes saying 'you don't know' is OK, think on it and come back.) and that we will hopefully come away with new knowledge or understandings.

OK, if that sounds good, let's begin.

What do you feel is meant by Conspiracy Theory?

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Fucktard vaxxers quoting zionist wikipedia propaganda for starters...

I realise all this vax shit on Steemit is a part of the usual CIA divide and conquer psyop and I'm not going to argue with anyone about it - just wanted to say: if you are a real person go fuck yourself... Over and out.

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This is the fear part of - "fear of a nonexistent conspiracy" - what does your comment have to do with this post, at all.

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.... um... ok, nothing intelligent to add to the discussion I see... Oh, wait, everyone can see (even "they" can see.)

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Well... for me, it would mean the desire to impart a large scale narrative to the sum total of many individual and/or random events. The total effect of many little incentives and actions does sometimes seem to produce something that has a central directive (evolution?). Our best tools against this seeming signal in the noise are the scientific method and the statistical analysis of data. Keeping in mind that those tools can't prove truth, but only to disprove falseness. However, the understanding and application of those tools are a specialised field that not many in the world's population understand... and thus, a funny or catching meme... or a poll disguised as statistics will often trump those tools.

However, all said and done... there are conspiracies, both past and present... however, by using our energy and effort chasing phantom conspiracies... we allow the real (and much less exciting ones...) and damaging ones to pass through. Also, there is also the possibility that we make mistakes in science and mathematics, however, the tools are there to self correct...

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I wouldn't agree with that definition. You should know that you can't trust Wikipedia since it's been compromised.
Firstly a conspiracy theory is not a fear - and in short the rest is rubbish.
You should go to a more reliable source for definitions.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conspiracy%20theory

Definition of conspiracy theory

: a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators.

First Known Use of conspiracy theory

1871, in the meaning defined above

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Apologies, I posted this and then was waylaid by RL work. Good thing about Steem even comments are considered posts we can continue if you want. I'll upvote- for what my vote is worth :-) on new comments.

I'm not sure I can get behind that definition. We can't trust Merriam-Webster as it has been compromised.

How do we know a conspiracy exists if it's a secret plot, until it's actually uncovered with empirical and verifiable evidence? Those accused of the conspiracy coming forward, confirming and releasing data. How do we know?

I think "fear of" is still valid. Many of the conspiracies use fear tactics to solidify support for the theory; the government is out to get you, this or that will harm you, they are watching. Do they not?

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"I'm not sure I can get behind that definition. We can't trust Merriam-Webster as it has been compromised."
I find that statement somewhat disingenuous. After all, a conspiracy theory is obviously a theory about a conspiracy. You hardly need a dictionary to define it.

As for the fear factor:
While fear might be associated with a conspiracy theory as it could be with just about anything else e.g. a doughnut.
Yet there's no way that fear would be would be cited as being one of the primary defining charistics of a doughnut.
The same applies to conspiracy theories.
Also, a conspiracy theory doesn't nessarily involve "a Government"

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Correct, not all conspiracies are government focused, but most are and typically the government ones bubble to the top as the "enemy within" or "enemy above" and are more pervasive. That comment really was meant to be disingenuous. I don't think Merriam-Webster has been compromised, nor is Wikipedia. I was using it to highlight your deflection and rationale of the Wiki definition. Presenting "you can't trust Wikipedia since it's been compromised" as an argument has no merit(absence of proof) as to the validity of the Wiki definition(dismissed as a conspiracy.) If you removed that dismissal I would have agreed and continued on the premise that the "fear' portion of the definition was not warranted.

Scientifically, a theory is a proven hypothesis. We get to the theory by presenting and establishing verifiable, reproducible evidence. It seems that many conspiracy theories are supported more so by faith of the believer or a systemic extension of one conspiracy in confirmation bias.

What level of evidence is needed to establish a conspiracy theory?

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It's true that in the strict sense of the word a theory is a proven hypothesis. However in modern parlance outside of the scientific realm, the words theory and hypothesis tend to be synonymous and interchangeable.

Here's just one example of Wikipedia being compramised.
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/techwatch/corinne-weaver/2018/12/04/reliable-source-hacked-wikipedia-swaps-trumps-picture
By Corinne Weaver | December 4, 2018 2:44 PM EST
Wikipedia is considered by many in the media to be “the Internet’s greatest store of knowledge.” But what happens when that knowledge is compromised?

What level of evidence is needed to establish a conspiracy theory?

That's a good question, but the fact is that nothing is ever truly established. In fact it's doubtful as to the meaning of "established" in this context.

I don't think that there's much further with this. I think we should call it a day if you don't mind.