Freedom and civilization

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Just an observation about the effects of the so-called progress of civilization and human societies on our independence and freedom. When humans were engaged in hunting and gathering food to survive, tens of thousands of years ago, man was completely self-sufficient, he was able to get food for himself and his family, he was able to provide a home, he was able to protect himself and others, in short, the human could take care of himself and was able to survive in almost any circumstance on his own. But as the years go by and societies become more complex and civilizations begin to progress, this condition begins to be lost, and the human becomes increasingly dependent on society, the human stops being self-sufficient and begins to need tens, hundreds, thousands and even millions of people to be able to live their life normally. The development and progress of civilization has led to the loss, to a great extent, of independence, and to some important degree, of human freedom. The modern human is less capable in many ways than the human of thousands of years ago, however modern societies can be classified as much more successful, in terms of material development, than those of the past. This is explained because modern societies have opted for specialization in which each human dedicates himself to one or a few things while leaving the others to his fellow citizens, which leads to greater progress in these areas, but at the same time, in a greater dependence on society, and a greater degree of vulnerability with respect to any danger or threat.

Modern man cannot fend for himself as a hut dweller ten thousand years ago, but he cares little, because he has become accustomed to his life of material comfort and artificially created dependence. This seems to indicate that the development of society is inexorably linked to the loss of individuality, independence, and freedom in human beings, until the development of machines, and the human becomes practically useless for everything, even for the most basic tasks, without the help of a device. That seems to be the next step in social evolution. It seems that we are heading towards a future in which the human is no longer capable of doing anything by himself without the help of others, and there are great possibilities that this other is the state or big corporations, virtually leaving the people in a state of total subordination to absolute power. To what extent can freedom be voluntarily exchanged for guarantees of security before reaching oppression? Are we submitting ourselves in exchange for comfort? Is the loss of our freedom inevitable in the face of social advance?

Some people believe that technological advancement and social development, far from taking away our freedoms, guarantee it, because supposedly we will reach a point where the human has all his needs satisfied, and will only have to work on what he really wants, without having to worry about their survival. From this being so, the reality is that the human will find himself in a position of extreme dependence on society, and on those who have control of it. Even so, the most probable thing is that the vast majority of people will never reach a similar state, and said "freedom" —if you can call that way someone who depends on everyone else to be free— will only be given to those who are at the top of the social pyramid, who will be increasingly free at the expense of everyone else.

I am not trying to criticize the social advance and the progress of civilization, nor the technological development, I just wonder if the loss of our own independence is inevitable to achieve it. Everything seems to indicate that the advance of civilization, at least what we call progress, is heading towards a reduction in human freedom, and a greater dependence on the collective. What do you think about it? Is it possible to make progress without losing the freedom, independence, and individuality of people, or does it need to be so?

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Well thought and written. However, what evidence to you have that any of mankind has been on Earth for longer than 6,000 years or so?

All radiometric dating is flawed non-science and the "layers" are circular reasoning.


I have no evidence whatsoever. I also have no evidence that humanity existed long after that. Talking about such things probably escapes what we can know for sure, leaving room only for beliefs and assumptions.

I am inclined to believe that humans lived in huts and lived off hunting and gathering in their early days simply based on the tribes that do that today, and because it seems logical that this was the case before the development of agriculture. How long was that? I don't know, maybe those who speak of tens of thousands of years ago are right, maybe not.

I could be wrong about this, I don't know either, it's not a dogma.


After any large cataclysm, the previous civilizations are all but undetectable. Only stone and glass tend to last more than a few hundred years. Most plastics and steel will easily be eradicated absent constant maintenance. I believe the Flood happened and the civilizations prior to it were very high tech. Mankind lived almost 1000 years pre-Flood and had larger brains.

I could do a lot in 1000 years with double air pressure, higher oxygen content, and very smart ancestors who were still alive. Noah was 500 when he began to build the Ark. It took him 100 years of enduring constant ridicule and hatred to build it, then it started raining for the first time in history and did not stop for 40 days.

The Days of Noah are here again... evil on the rise and the ability to modify genetics at will. I wager we have less than 50 years of this Age left.