New Twitter contributors - community poll launched today!

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After the last article (Twitter contributors wanted), @grider123 has valiantly stepped forward and volunteered for Gridcoin Twitter! Since two new contributors were proposed, I have decided to volunteer also. Therefore, I think it's time to move ahead with this and to create a corresponding community poll with a single question: Do you support grider123 (aka gridcoin2moon on Slack) and vortac as the new contributors to Gridcoin Twitter?

@grider123 is known for his website https://gridcoin.ch which has received a huge update last month, be sure to check it out. Also, he has written a lot of interesting aticles about Gridcoin here on Steemit and on Whaleshares, so I am sure he will do a good job on our Twitter too. Also, he is active on Gridcoin Slack where he is known as gridcoin2moon and on Reddit where is known as /u/p1C4k3.

As for myself, I've been with SETI@home since 1999, closely following all things related with distributed computing and associated scientific projects. I have joined Gridcoin in November 2015, starting my crypto-journey. Currently running the "New Marketing Initiative" which was approved last year and I am absolutely dedicated in helping Gridcoin through this longer-than-usual bear market.

Vote through your Gridcon wallets and support our efforts to expand and improve Gridcoin Twitter. With your votes, we can increase our current Twitter staff to four people, all well-known community members: @cm-steem and @quezacoatl1 as admins (already volunteering) plus @grider123 and myself as contributors. That looks like a great team to me and I am certainly looking forward to working with them!

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Dear @vortac and @grider123,

Can you both post some example twits so that we can judge if you are up to the task? I am unable to infer this from the individual properties that you listed(having a website, being a member since 2015), and this is important for my vote.

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That's a very good idea, thanks for suggesting it zamaza! I wanted to do it before (in the article itself) but didn't want to make it too long (and too braggy).

Anyway, here are the tweets I have put together for Gridcoin Twitter in the past:

Fast radio bursts:
https://twitter.com/GridcoinNetwork/status/1083877493881401344

World Community Grid and beacon4science:
https://twitter.com/GridcoinNetwork/status/1063635898150072320

Powerful stellar stream in our galactic neighborhood:
https://twitter.com/GridcoinNetwork/status/1061665728686899201

Smash Childhood Cancer project:
https://twitter.com/GridcoinNetwork/status/1061280002791084032

Is Oumuamua an Alien Light Sail?
https://twitter.com/GridcoinNetwork/status/1060593154787893248

As you can see, I especially like to tweet about interesting science projects currently associated with BOINC. If people start to crunch for those projects, they are only one step away from joining Gridcoin. More tweets can be found on my Twitter account: https://twitter.com/Vortac9

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This is a good idea. To be honest, I don't have a Twitter account at the moment and therefore no example tweets to show my skills...
However, I am (and will continue to) acquire specific social media marketing skills. If there are community members who know more about it and maybe even have professional experience, I am willing to give up my claims =)

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Forgot to post - I support this proposal, nobody else volunteered for the positions.

I will do it as soon as I arrive home this evening!
Good work @vortac and @grider123 and also for the rest of the twitter staff.

I'm happy to see twitter team expanding. I hope to see more tweets covering BOINC scientific news and wider Gridcoin ecosystem.

On the side note, I see a lot of discussions in the comments on unrelated stuff like which platform this thread should be published on. This should be discussed in a separate governance / policies thread. Agreed rules we can stamp on blockchain for future validation. Here we should only discuss whether poll is valid (run according to rules governing polls) and poll topic related thoughts, ideas and concerns.

"at first i thought adding more people to the twitter team was a nice idea but now that i think about it, it will actually serve to centralize power around those approved by the poll since they can dismiss everyone elses input on the basis of them not being poll approved. furthermore its inappropriate to use steemit instead of reddit or cryptocurrencytalk for a discussion url, since signing up on steemit requires paying them money."

-Nethlek asked to post here

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it will actually serve to centralize power around those approved by the poll since they can dismiss everyone elses input on the basis of them not being poll approved.

I don't understand. Could Nethlek elaborate in reddit thread, if he has no account on steem?

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That thread was created less than an hour ago

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they can dismiss everyone elses input on the basis of them not being poll approved.

If you want to have real input, volunteer for the position & get vote approval.

furthermore its inappropriate to use steemit instead of reddit or cryptocurrencytalk for a discussion url, since signing up on steemit requires paying them money.

You don't need to invest to get an account, fair enough if you want an account today you would need to pay like $5-10 for an account from a 3rd party service, but Steem has been out for coming on 3 years now, take 5 mins to make an account.

Both reddit and cryptocointalk are not free from potential censorship.

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Apparently, grc-lib-front speaks for Nethlek too, so you just spammed the same nonsense twice, well done.

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check the time, my post was about 3h earlier than his

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Did you even bother to check the timestamps?

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They should have checked the timestamps before posting duplicate nonsense. Why should I do that for people who cannot even coordinate posting one comment on Steemit? Capable guys, no doubts.

"at first i thought adding more people to the twitter team was a nice idea but now that i think about it, it will actually serve to centralize power around those approved by the poll since they can dismiss everyone elses input on the basis of them not being poll approved. furthermore its inappropriate to use steemit instead of reddit or cryptocurrencytalk for a discussion url, since signing up on steemit requires paying them money."
-Nethlek

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This is just a bunch of factual errors, disinformation and plain dumbness.

  1. It advocates total passivity and doing nothing, since everything approved by the polls is carried out by some members of the community. For example, the New Marketing Initiative approved last year is currently carried out by me - this is not called 'centralization', but volunteering. The dev work is done by our fixed team of devs, shall we sack them all because they are 'centralizing' the development of Gridcoin too much?

  2. Signing up on Steemit is free, but the process takes 1-2 weeks. Only instant access requires a small fee. On the other hand, so called "Reddit Premium" costs $6 per month -> no such nonsense on Steemit!

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Signing up on Steemit is free, but the process takes 1-2 weeks. Only instant access requires a small fee. On the other hand, so called "Reddit Premium" costs $6 per month -> no such nonsense on Steemit!

First off, this doesn't address the main point Nethlek was trying to make: That Steemit is not instant access. If someone wants to comment on the poll you're telling them to wait 1-2 weeks to post a comment?! On reddit creating an account is free and takes a few seconds.

What does reddit premium have to do with anything? It's absolutely not required to post, and just removes ads from the site. Which is funny, because Steemit has ads now, and there is nothing you can do to remove those...

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This poll was discussed on Slack for like two months, on various channels (official-social-media, marketing, poll-drafts etc). I was present in every channel and no one has raised any serious objections, except those made up fears about "Steemit monetization" but that was already decided on a different poll and has nothing to do with this one. Steemit content has already been approved for our Twitter.

Of course, you know all this very well, since you are a Gridcoin dev and veteran and have participated in those polls and discussions on Slack yourself. But, it seems that you have conveniently forgotten that and now you are acting 'surprised'... because no one is able to comment the poll? Ridiculous.

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If it takes 1-2 weeks, it has some merits. Instant sign up might be important for making ad-hoc anonymous accounts to spam etc. (possible to create alt account on steem too, but not on a whim or paid). Second important thing is that valuable voice we can expect from members that have some knowledge about ecosystem, so instant sing up is not important.

The root problem here is almost no governance rules for the project and little will to create such rules or to set them up in motion.

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The root problem here is almost no governance rules for the project and little will to create such rules or to set them up in motion.

Community guidelines and code of practice/conduct are easily introducable to the Gridcoin-Community github organisation and to how we evaluate poll outcomes. Governance rules elsewhere contradict the decentralized nature of crypto, imo.

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There's nothing stopping anyone from taking this discussion elsewhere. Create a few threads on alternative platforms then link them in these comments, problem completely solved.

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Which is funny, because Steemit has ads now, and there is nothing you can do to remove those...

You can run an ad blocker to be fair

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You could say the same thing about reddit. The entire "reddit premium" argument is moot.

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I'm not arguing that case 🤷‍♂️

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gridcoin liberation front

Sounds like a cyber terrorist organization 😂

Comment from Nethlek
yesterday i raised concerns about your choice of platform for a discussion url and how the poll could be served to concentrate power among those mentioned by it and you chose to respond to me with insults. you called me stupid, accused me of "causing a ruckus" and harming our marketing efforts all because i dared criticize your methods. your conduct has been deeply unprofessional and i no longer believe you should be allowed access to our twitter if you can't handle criticism without immediately resorting to insults. if anything would be harmful to our marketing efforts it would be having our social media controlled by someone with such little impulse control. you continuously ignore the point i was making, that steemit is an ill suited platform for open and free discussion. you argue with that steemit content was community approved, which is a non-sequitur because we're not talking about sharing content, we're talking about its viability as a free an open discussion platform. likewise your argument that reddit is just as bad because we only control our subreddit and not the whole website is equally fallacious, not to mention incredibly disingenuous. furthermore cct is not dead just because there's little activity on there. the website is still very much online and perfectly viable as a discussion platform since unlike steemit, signing up take mere moments and doesn't require you to give them your phone number to be sold to advertisers. you keep mentioning that nobody objected on slack ahead of time which is once again disingenuous because for one, discussions about polls are supposed to occur when they go live (hence the existence of discussion urls) and for another, no one could know ahead of time you were going to choose an ill suited platform for discussion, just as no one could have known that you would exclude the majority of the twitter team from your post. you completely failed to mention noah, neuralminer, an0n, barton and geebell as part of the team, which would effectively result in their removal from it should your poll pass. that combined with your blatant hostility and the condescension with which you have chosen to approach this issue has me questioning your intentions behind this poll. at any rate, your conduct has been appalling and my "no" now represents opposition to your appointment in addition to my previous concerns. good day

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I'd really appreciate punctuation in the future, this is a horrible wall of text to read, but I'll give it a shot parsing what you're talking about.


Yesterday I raised concerns about your choice of platform for a discussion url and how the poll could be served to concentrate power among those mentioned by it and you chose to respond to me with insults. You called me stupid, accused me of "causing a ruckus" and harming our marketing efforts all because I dared criticize your methods.

I don't think calling someone stupid is that unprofessional, if there was hate speech or slurs then sure, but that's not the case here.

Causing a ruckus and harming marketing are subjective opinions not insults, arguably by publicly fighting you are doing exactly that.

Your conduct has been deeply unprofessional and I no longer believe you should be allowed access to our twitter if you can't handle criticism without immediately resorting to insults.

This poll is about potentially granting access, there is no currently established access, you're free to vote against the poll, but you could instead be interacting with the other volunteer if you don't want to interact with Vortac.

If anything would be harmful to our marketing efforts it would be having our social media controlled by someone with such little impulse control.

He'd be provided limited access, the ability to produce tweets, if there was a serious theoretical code of conduct issue then tweets can be deleted easily. I highly doubt that Vortac would take any malicious actions with the Twitter account though. This is solely Twitter we're talking about though, not all social media.

You continuously ignore the point i was making, that steemit is an ill suited platform for open and free discussion.

It is open and free from censorship, it doesn't require an upfront investment to register, if you want an account immediately then sure you would have to buy an account, but just take the time now to make an account so that in the future this isn't a problem.

I mentioned in another comment that anyone can create similar discussions on other platforms then post a comment in here with all the links with a header like "Not registered? Discuss in these alternative forums" to give everyone a voice - easy solution.

Both Reddit and CCT can and have been open to censorship in the past.

You argue with that steemit content was community approved, which is a non-sequitur because we're not talking about sharing content, we're talking about its viability as a free an open discussion platform.

The Gridcoin network voted to approve posting Steemit and Whaleshares content on the Twitter account, fair enough we didn't vote on allowing these as discussion URLs (we could create such a poll if you want), but there's no rules on what URL you provide.

Steemit and Whaleshares are free and open platforms for discussion. Make an account now so that you can post in the future, and for those without accounts link to alternative platform threads, solved.

Likewise your argument that reddit is just as bad because we only control our subreddit and not the whole website is equally fallacious, not to mention incredibly disingenuous.

In what way? You cannot post any Gridcoin content outwith the following subs: gridcoin, gridcoinmarket, cryptocurrency, cryptomarkets.

Anywhere else results in swift censorship, you can't post anything Gridcoin related on the BOINC subreddit due to a trigger happy mod - every sub has a set of unknown mods with absolute authority. Even the /r/gridcoin sub has several unknown/inactive mods which could clamp down on free speech.

On a platform like this, if we're in a heated argument the worst I can do is flag your post which hides it and counters rewards, your content does not get deleted and is preserved forever on the blockchain, where as on alternative platforms like Reddit & CCT your content can be deleted.

Would I ever delete content on the sub, no, but look at how reddit has enabled /r/bitcoin censorship for years leading to branching subs like /r/btc it's not as free as steemit.

Furthermore, CCT is not dead just because there's little activity on there. The website is still very much online and perfectly viable as a discussion platform since unlike Steemit, signing up take mere moments and doesn't require you to give them your phone number to be sold to advertisers.

So make a related thread and post a comment in here to it so that those without a Steemit account can post in there? There's no need to demand other to do things which you could be doing. It has lost a lot of its activity though, many have moved onto other platforms to talk about Gridcoin.

You keep mentioning that nobody objected on slack ahead of time which is once again disingenuous because for one, discussions about polls are supposed to occur when they go live (hence the existence of discussion urls).

EDIT: Missed responding to this.

I wouldn't say it was disingenuous, if these discussions took place without significant complaints with several parties that's like a first draft.

I'd far prefer to see people discussing theoretical polls ahead of creating the poll, so that we don't have really low quality polls being created or unneccessary drama being inflicted due to misreading the community.

Like say I threw up a few whitelist polls with correct discussion URLs out of the blue - it might upset people because it's out of the blue, they might get spooked into changing the projects they're crunching or stop crunching altogether. Gauging public support through poll drafts and related discussion is reasonable preparation.

[...] and for another, no one could know ahead of time you were going to choose an ill suited platform for discussion.

It's been accepted as a valid discussion URL plenty of times in the past, for example the following polls:

https://gridcoinstats.eu/poll/roadmap:_solving_the_stake_weight_problem
https://gridcoinstats.eu/poll/new_marketing_initiative
https://steemit.com/utopian-io/@jringo/the-gridcoin-treasury-a-proposal
https://steemit.com/gridcoin/@jringo/gridcoin-4-0-2018-general-roadmap-poll-securing-superblocks
https://steemit.com/gridcoin/@jringo/gridcoin-4-0-2018-general-roadmap-poll-receiving-earned-research-rewards
https://gridcoinstats.eu/poll/roadmap:_proof_of_research_blockchain
https://gridcoinstats.eu/poll/roadmap:_determining_magnitude
https://gridcoinstats.eu/poll/roadmap:_solving_the_stake_weight_problem

The above polls were of far higher importance, yet no complaints of using Steemit over reddit? It's an acceptable format, create parallel threads on other platforms and link here for greater community coverage.

[...] you would exclude the majority of the twitter team from your post.

There's technically only myself and Quez on the Twitter team, nobody else, hence the public call for volunteers and now voting on those who came forwards to volunteer.

You completely failed to mention noah, neuralminer, an0n, barton and geebell as part of the team, which would effectively result in their removal from it should your poll pass.

What do you mean? None of these users are approved Twitter publishers. They need to volunteer first & potentially replicate this poll for their own approval if they're interested. Nobody is being removed from power with this poll.

That combined with your blatant hostility and the condescension with which you have chosen to approach this issue has me questioning your intentions behind this poll.

The intentions of the poll are pretty straight forwards, they're requesting approval to tweet, there's no secret agenda behind the poll as far as I'm aware.

Frankly I've stepped back somewhat from the social media aspect because of how incredibly hostile individuals were becoming towards me for not posting exactly how they liked, it's an unpaid and extremely taxing role.

If you want to set a positive example then make your own Twitter account and start marketing Gridcoin yourself instead of fixating on 'official' accounts. I seriously doubt any other crypto community operates this way, for good reason.

At any rate, your conduct has been appalling and my "no" now represents opposition to your appointment in addition to my previous concerns. Good day

You're free to vote against the poll, that's what matters.

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This is incredibly deceptive and parts of it are outright lies. Much of this will be cleared up in a lengthy post I'm working on.

Regarding my content you linked to, I'll give you benefit for now and consider that you simply did not read the links you linked to, or that you do not remember the rules you described wrt CCT.

First, the treasury was never a vote.

Second, my proposals are always VERY cross-platform. I spend a lot of effort ensuring this is so. Anyone interested, please read any of my proposals. They are all cross-posted in the first paragraph if not the first line and an active effort is made to bring conversations across platforms.

Moreover, much of this is from way back when there was no engagement team.

This is a very disappointing response.

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I seriously doubt any other crypto community operates this way, for good reason.

Incorrect.

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This is incredibly deceptive and parts of it are outright lies. Much of this will be cleared up in a lengthy post I'm working on.

What parts of my post are 'deceptive' and 'outright lies'? Don't slander then walk off without elaborating.

Regarding my content you linked to, I'll give you benefit for now and consider that you simply did not read the links you linked to

Admittedly I went to gridcoinstats poll page, went through the last 25 or so polls and just grabbed the URLs for polls which used Steemit discussion links, that said several of the links I posted above appear to be the discussion link itself instead of the poll link, that's my bad. I'll try it again with 2018+ polls only:

I don't think there's anything dishonest about highlighting that Steemit discussion URLs have been used for far more important topics than who volunteers for Twitter.

I do believe that if you link to multiple parallel threads on external platforms from a Steemit discussion thread that should be sufficient, as people will have a place to speak without having to register. That said, people should register.

Or that you do not remember the rules you described wrt CCT.

Doesn't that only apply to whitelist polls? Several development polls linked to github instead of CCT so it's not a set in stone practice.

They are all cross-posted in the first paragraph if not the first line and an active effort is made to bring conversations across platforms.

I'm addressing Nethlek's concern that Steemit discussion URLs are unacceptable; I disagree with him and believe that if you cross-post and link to external discussions it's perfectly acceptable to use a Steemit discussion URL over a centralized platform URL. I highlighted the past polls because that shows there's historical precedent for successfully discussing polls via Steemit discussion URLs.

Moreover, much of this is from way back when there was no engagement team.

What team is this? Making up teams doesn't mandate network rules.

I seriously doubt any other crypto community operates this way, for good reason.

Incorrect.

If you believe my statement is incorrect, then please do provide examples of other cryptocurrencies with Twitter accounts which post their userbase's posts upon request and has rules established on the blockchain.

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You don't expect me to wade through this blurb, do you? It's more like a spam-effort, I guess?

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