Leave Peterson Alone

6개월 전

Never thought I'd say this, but I have to take a short moment in defense of Jordan Peterson. I've criticized the man often for his role in spreading certain bad ideas, but what I see happening now that he has gone into rehab hurts my eyes and ears...


Just a short post today with a simple message: we don't kick people while they're down. I hear some progressive voices argue that Peterson taking care of his dependence on medication invalidates everything the man has ever said. And that's just wrong, especially in the words I've heard some use; he's proved to be a hypocrite because of the millions of dollars he gained by publishing a self-help book, a book in which he gives the advice to pull yourself up by the boot-straps, take personal responsibility for the woes in your life and don't blame circumstances. "Apparently his advice couldn't prevent himself from messing up his room, so why would it work for anyone else," and variations thereof is what's strewn around by his critics. Even claiming that he's an addict, when there's no way to know that to be true.

Yes, there's some cosmic irony at play here; that's not lost on me. But consider this: his wife was diagnosed with terminal cancer, whatever his motivations, he has transformed himself into a very public figure with all the implied pressures, his daughter has serious health problems to and she, for whatever reason, adopted a diet with only meat, a diet that Jordan started for himself when he saw his daughter's condition improve drastically. All this resulted in depression and anxiety, a condition for which his doctor prescribed a drug that's known for its quick and reliable results, but also for the risk that it develops a physiological dependency. I say "dependency" because that's something different, has a different connotation than "addiction".

Peterson Family Update - September 2019

So, he had a problem caused by a multitude of tragic personal circumstances, and by checking in with medical professionals to lose that dependency was the responsible, the right thing to do. And yes, it's still possible to criticize him, that's not the point here; you know I think he has a lot of mistaken ideas, especially about the evil cultural Marxists and his pseudo-scientific denial of the existence of white male privilege and more. But don't call him out on his ideas because he had to seek help, because he did what's right for him and his family. That's dishonest, that's kicking him while he's down, which is something peace loving progressives don't want to be associated with. It's too easy to take this personal tragedy and use it to say "I told you so, the man's ideas are wack".

Okay, that's it. The above linked video is by Peterson's daughter, explaining why her father had to seek help. Below is a conversation between Peterson and Sam Harris about morality, the role religion plays in moral behavior, how morals have evolved and translated into myths and legends, how we can't get an "ought" from an "is" and all that sweetness. It's long and the participants go really deep in defending their competing perspectives on the subject matters, but I had a great time listening to both of them, had agreements and disagreements with both of them and afterwards had equal respect for both of them; it's just to show that we never fully agree or disagree with anyone but ourselves and that there's something valuable to learn from every individual perspective however far removed it is from our own. This is the Peterson I wish we saw more often and this is the Peterson we don't want to kick while he's down.

Sam Harris & Jordan Peterson - Vancouver - 1

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Going to rehab IS a way to pick yourself back up. It's recognising the problem and taking responsibility. I don't always agree with him, but he's been under a lot of stress recently. It does not deligitim8se his book, nor his teachings. I have a lot of respect for the guy. Doesn't mean I agree with everything, but his content has helped me a lot.

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I won't go out of my way to kick him, but I have no sympathy for a grifter hack who promotes bigotry, sexism, misinformation and anti science.


a grifter hack who promotes bigotry, sexism, misinformation and anti science

When has he ever done that? He always justifies his views and backs his claims. Care to provide some specific examples?

Peterson has said much I agree with, and he’s touched on things I disagree with too. One thing that I do appreciate is that he’s a very complex thinker and isn’t afraid to speak his mind regardless of the popularity of his viewpoint or how well it’s going to be received. His biggest asset in this department is his ability to effectively reason out loud and convey his ideas in such a way where people can, in many cases, see where he is coming from.

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I've criticized the man often for his role in spreading certain bad ideas

such as? could you give a few examples?

Have you ever criticized a leftist for spreading bad ideas?

He explains why the use of lobsters in his work.


such as? could you give a few examples?

I think there's a couple examples in here: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson


That's a very long text, would you mind mentioning some of his ideas that you consider as "bad"?

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