LET'S TALK ABOUT PALnet: I've mixed thoughts so far; what is your first impression?

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111.jpgIn my previous post I introduced many of you, my dear readers, to an interesting Airdrop launched by PALnet.io.

INTRODUCTION

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Right away it seemed to be very obvious that their marketing campaign has been very efficient - almost everyone I know had already heard about this social media platform.

I've noticed solid hype around this project and the team behind it.
And the general strong believe that PALnet will do well in the future.

But will it really do well?

Today, just 2 weeks later I decided to share with you all my little experience with this platform. However my goal is mostly to find out what other people think about PALnet. What are the strengths and weaknesses of this social media platform? I wonder how many people believe that PAL token has actually a future and how many of us would actually use PALnet.io site instead of steemit.com (or other front ends).

SIMILARITIES AND DIFFERENCES

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Visually at the first glance PALnet does look like just another "clone" of Steemit.com as the interface isn't that much different. The initial question raised in my head: why do we need another front-end, that looks like a copy of an old one from Steemit ?(which is not really considered to be user-friendly)

Below I will share a few spotted differences and hopefully some of you can add few more, which i didn't spot in the first place.

So let's start with the obvious:

  • PAL reward system is 50/50 (authors/curators), which is exactly the way Steemit will be after HF21 (Hard Fork 21)
  • we receive our full rewards in PAL tokens. So we can trade 100% of our rewards right away without the need of powering down (unsteaking).
  • wallet is simplified and is "build in" (which makes it so convinient to use it; it used to be that way on Steemit in the past)
  • only posts with "PALNET" tag are being displayed
  • PROMOTED - publications from this tab are also being displayed on the "trending" page (I found it a great step in the right direction as we need to find ways

Anything else? Oh yeah. There is one more drastic change. The one that put's me off the most from using PALnet.io: DISSAPEARING COMMENTS

DISSAPEARING COMMENTS on PALnet.io

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This is in my opinion on one of the biggest issues with this platform. Regardless how much I initially believed in the future of PALnet and how I appreciate the work done by their developers, I must to say that this problem can be a nail to the coffin. For some unknown reason this platform isn't displaying all comments. Please allow me to share example of the very same post being displayed both: on Steemit and PALnet.io:

When I noticed it for the first time I was like: WTF???!?!?!?

Do you guys see the problem?How can 240 comments simply "dissapear"? That's like over 60% comments not being displayed. I also checked the "Replies" tab and it's not any different. Many users comments I usually would be able to see while using Steemit or Steempeak - are simply not being shown on PALnet.io. I believe this is a serious issue, one that should be solved by developers ASAP.

I'm pretty sure that there is some good technical reason behind it, however it's also important to understand that this is the biggest threat for PALnetp People will simply not care about a technical explanations and they will stop using PALnet.io to browse and engage with others if this continues. I may be wrong, but that's at least how I see it.

FINAL THOUGHTS / SHARE YOUR OPINION

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I really do wish PALnet and their team all the best, to the point that I invested my own time in promoting their airdrop and I also invested part of my own STEEM into PAL tokens. However personally I'm not planning to use this platform to navigate and engage with other users until problem of "invisible comments" will be fixed.

I would also like to ask all readers about your own experience with PALnet.io. Could you share own opinion with me? Did you spot any other meaningful differences between Steemit and PALnet? Is there any reason to believe that PAL tokens will have a future? What is your own experience with this platform so far?

Please do share your thoughts with me. I read, reply and upvote all quality comments.

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Additional important question:

Does anyone know what actually does happen to rewards if I upvote post on Steemit published by someone, who doesn't have account on PALnet? This person won't receive his 50% of PAL reward. So does it mean that that 50% is being waster / burned? Or perhaps in that case as curator I will receive 100% of reward as a curator?

Yours,
Piotr

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I really like the idea for PAL and I use it all the time now, yes things will be much better after HF21

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Hi @mrme1984

Thank you for your comment. I was wondering if you've also noticed those dissapearing comments? I'm trying to figure out why so many comments are being displayed on Steemit (and other platforms) and they are hidden/invisible on Palnet.

Yours
Piotr

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I assume that those users not part of PAL

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When you are in PALnet, post articles or voting, it is also published at STEMMIT.com and voting is completed.
You can at the same time Get PAL coin and Steem coin...
So pay attention to the power level between the two..

PALnet is a good start. If they can do the economics better than Steem then I will not power down my PALnet tokens like I am doing with Steem. The Steem economy does not work and I really hope the lessons are learned.

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Dear @dana-edwards

The problem I see is the fact ,that PALnet economy is build on top of STEEM economy. So if price of STEEM will be tanking, then PAL tokens will also become worthless :(

Hi @crypto.piotr,
Thank you for this nice post. I quite like palnet but I believe it is a bit complicated for most of us to understand what and how Palnet works. I try to give some explanaitions but I'm not sure to be right about it ;-):

  • Palnet works on steem blockchain and you can post from whatever platform that you wish (steempeak, steemit, ...) and it will be visible on palnet as long as you put the palnet tag.
  • Why do comments disapear? In the past on dtbube some comments were not visible because they were written on another platform. So for example if people post a comment on palnet it may not be visible on steemit or vice versa. I'm not 100% sure about this one. For example I'm writing a comment here on steemit and I don't know whether it will be visible on palnet...
  • Is it a steemit clone ?
    Palnet is actually a standardised product developed by @aggroed and his team on steem-engine called SCOT that allows you to run your own cryptocurrency on steem using a community website. So if we look at palnet, steemleo or other similar communities, they will come with a similar layout and concept.

Does palnet have a future?

I believe that Planet is a really nice and intersting project and I always keep in mind that I can use palcoin to upvote my posts through @minnowsupport. So there is a sink for which the coin can be used. Palnet has another big advantage. With other scot projects coming alive every day, planet has the advantage that it has already a big community that has staked palcoins. So if a user tries to get the maximum out of his post, he will use the tag where he has most staked coins. Since there is only space for 5 tags per posts, it might be difficult for new communities to take palnets place.

Best regards,

Achim

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Dear @achim03

Amazing comment. Seriously I appreciate.

Why do comments disapear? In the past on dtbube some comments were not visible because they were written on another platform.

I also figured out that disappearing comments have something to do with PALnet userbase. I'm not sure what's the advantage of this solution. Right now I'm trying to use PALnet.io to engage with people.

However all I have learned is that once I reply to everyone, I still need to visit my own profile via any other front-end (most likely Steemit) to spot those comments I didn't have a chance to read and reply yet.

Other people are in very similar position and my impression is, that most will stop using palnet.io sooner than later.

So for example if people post a comment on palnet it may not be visible on steemit or vice versa. I'm not 100% sure about this one. For example I'm writing a comment g zhere on steemit and I don't know whether it will be visible on palnet...

Don't you think that it's a real problem and put-off? I wish palnet developers would do something about it before they will lose most of their traffic on their site.

I can use palcoin to upvote my posts through @minnowsupport. So there is a sink for which the coin can be used.

Sink? Meaning? You send PAL tokens to upvote your posts on Steemit via minnowsupport, right? And those tokens are burned (send to null)? Is that right?

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A bit off-topic: wouldn't you think that people selling their steem and buying all those new tokens available on steem-engine can be a main reason for current drop of steem price? (increased selling pressure)?

Yours
Piotr

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Hi piotr,

Thank you for answering my comment.

Sink? Meaning? You send PAL tokens to upvote your posts on Steemit via minnowsupport, right? And those tokens are burned (send to null)? Is that right?

Excactly

A bit off-topic: wouldn't you think that people selling their steem and buying all those new tokens available on steem-engine can be a main reason for current drop of steem price? (increased selling pressure)?

I believe that you are quite right about that. I couldn't find out yet why there is an impact on the steem/usd price but I believe that a lot of users sell their steem to buy Palcoin or all the tons of other coins.
I also witnessed that the prices for cards on steemmonsters are increasing constantly. Meaning that there is a big demand for them. I believe that this creates an inderect selling pressure and could well be the trigger for the bigger sell off of steem.

Best regards my friend,

Achim

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Hey @achim03, here is your BEER token. Enjoy it!

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You deserve some !BEER

I think that PAL net will be around for a long time.

I believe the reason for so-called disappearing comments is simply the person leaving the comment is not a PALnet member. Yes it can be confusing, however PALnet allows for a new start for people that have been slammed and banged about in steemit and are constantly having their comments greyed out by individuals or groups. Also PALnet does take steps to protect it's users, and will ban/block people from their portal if needed. Many will see this as censorship, but there are a few common sense rules that are and will be enforced on PALnet. No action taken on the PALnet side will effect how an individuals post are viewed on steemit or other front ends.

As for the 50/50 split, that is only on your PAL tokens. They are not taking 50% of your steem token rewards from your steemit post or other front end post. You are actually getting two payouts on PALnet post. Steem and PAL

It is my understanding that if you vote on a post that does not have #palnet as a tag then you are not spending any of your PALnet Vote Power on that post. So you get no curation reward. If a non palnet member uses the #palnet tag, I am not sure what would happen, I would like to think that the non-used 50% would go to the token burn pile, but like you I am not sure on that.

The nice thing about the scot-tribes/communities, is you do not need to use their front end. You can stay on steemit and see all the comments, vote on a post and if #palnet is in the tag of that post you will be automatically curating with your PALnet vote.

If an individual has grown completely tired of any of the other front ends because of harassment, then they can spend the vast majority of their time on PAlnet and not be bothered by the Steemian, or Leoians or any of the other front end groups. If you are on PALnet you will not see comments from non-palnet users in you replies box. Like wise you will not see comments you made to non-palnet post in your comment box.

A separate yet shared platform experience. Think back to the very early days of the internet prior to netscape and mozilla web browsers, when there was AOL, and CompuServe, If you wanted to see something on AOL you had to be a member, if you wanted to see something on CompuServe you had to be a member of their system, web browsers changed all that. One day there will be a block browser that will change the separation but shared concept.

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If an individual has grown completely tired of any of the other front ends because of harassment, then they can spend the vast majority of their time on PAlnet and not be bothered by the Steemian, or Leoians or any of the other front end groups. If you are on PALnet you will not see comments from non-palnet users in you replies box. Like wise you will not see comments you made to non-palnet post in your comment box.

THIS. Separate tribes. Separate comments. The comments aren't "disappearing". It's an intended feature IMO.

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It is, and I think an important feature. You can still earn steem coins and PAL tokens. People confuse what is decentralized and what is not. The block chain steem is decentralized, not the tribes, they are like private little islands sprinkled through out the steem block chain. Make to much of a ruckus, harass to many island dwellers, and it back in the ocean for you; to swim with, or be eaten by, the other sharks.

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To reiterate what I answered directly to this post, there is no such thing as a palnet account. If you have a steem account you already have a palnet account, they aren't two separate things. You could interact with palnet without ever using palnet.io. It's all dependant on using the palnet tag on your posts, that's it. And yes your PAL VP is ignored if you vote a post that doesn't have the tag and no PAL rewards are distributed.

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The idea is to be token agnostic when voting on the same blockchain. Hence it should not be required (in my view) to use any particular front end to vote with a particular token.

I think this is where we are heading to... I hope it continues that way.

!BEER to that!

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Oh yeah, you don't need to be logged on PALnet to vote, if you are on steemit, esteem, partiko, or what have you if a post you vote on has #palnet as a tag, then you voted with your PALnet shares also. The hard part is going to be having all the front ends have the same number of allowable tags. I don't know how they do it but I have seen post with 8 or more tags, so they are covered for a lot of secondary votes, until the coin makers limit the vote power to the first 5 or 6 tags that is.

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Hey @bashadow, here is your BEER token. Enjoy it!

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Thank you @forykw for the token, and thank you @beerlover for the notice.

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Drar @bashadow

I very much appreciate your amazing comment.

I believe the reason for so-called disappearing comments is simply the person leaving the comment is not a PALnet member. Yes it can be confusing

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

Also PALnet does take steps to protect it's users, and will ban/block people from their portal if needed.

Personally I found it scary. Even scarier than risk of being banned on Facebook, youtube or twitter. After all PALnet doesn't provide any customer service and communication channels with their team are very limited (pretty much not existing, especially for those who do not use Discord). Plus PALnet doesnt send you any clear notification about being banned :(

Censorship is necessary, but if one decide to censor content then lack of communication will be a problem. Simply because mistakes will be happening and sometimes random people will end up being banned for very little issues.

Can you imagie building your presence on platform and being banned without being notified about it?

Yours
Piotr

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Can you imagine throwing a pool party for your 16 year old daughter and having a group of people crash your daughters party and then start throwing insults at her and threats at you, and peeing in your pool?

I have seen post with literally hundreds of ignorant, rude, and inappropriate gif's and meme's. Banning and blocking that type of behavior is not censorship. That is taking the person out of society and putting them in jail for wrong doing. Mistakes happen in every criminal justice system, there will always be some innocent people being jailed. There are ways to appeal the process available for the users. "--After all PALnet doesn't provide any customer service and communication channels--" PALnet does have a discord chat room and a place to make appeals.

Insults are free speech? Think about that for a moment or two.
Threats are free speech? Think about some of those gif's and comments.
Pissing in a pool free speech? I do not think that is art any more than pissing on a flag.

PALnet, the last I read about the situation is that they will allow one post every 24 hours. This allows a chance to straighten things out, all of these Child sites of steem block chain are trying to find a balance between user safety and experience, and censorship.

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Dear @bashadow

Thank you for your prompt reply.

Your example is very extreme but I do get your point.

PALnet does have a discord chat room and a place to make appeals.

Exactly. PALnet (and many others) seem to limit communication channels only to discord. Hardly anyone I know does use discord. And that's the sad reality.

And it hardly matters if they are on discord or not. What matters is that even on this channel most of them are hardly responsive. Together with a friend we've tried to reach out to them asking about those not-visible comments and having few other questions. And we've failed to receive any reply ever.

Yours
Piotr

Up to this point PIFC is just staking all earnings to help reward our members with additional post rewards when we vote. Haven't bothered to test the platform as we need to see all posts for our efforts, but have considered creating a palnet only account to use all VP on just PAL posts.

Personally, I never caught onto the excitement and still haven’t really got the value proposition.

Frankly, I think it just makes things more complicated.

For a handful of people on Steem who are open to being impressed with some new novelty derivative, it seems to be great. Though for anyone who’d be freshly entering the Steem ecosystem and/or investors investigating Steem, it’d likely be more confusing and off-putting than something that is straightforward and has clear value.

Just my two cents.

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Dear @rok-sivante

I just realized that I never actually thanked you for your amazing comment. I absolutely appreciate it.

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Your welcome. 🙏

Please stop spamming my wallet with links to your opinion. I won't downvote you today. If you choose to ignore my suggestion and would prefer to continue sending wallet spam, your new fee is 10SBD per memo. Thanks!

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Dear @nonameslefttouse

I will follow your request and I will do my best not to bother you again in the future.

ps. I didn't send any memo to you lately.

Yours
Piotr

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Hey. So, for a VERY long time, you'd send wallet spam. THAT wallet spam from YOUR account ceased after YOU had been told to stop sending wallet spam. Not long after that, I continued to receive wallet spam from OTHER accounts directing me to YOUR posts. Hmm? What a coincidence! You were warned to stop, so instead of stopping, you started telling others to do it, or using alt accounts.

So what happens now? You will either tell those people to stop, or stop using alt accounts to send me wallet spam.

You're behind it, you know it, don't play PRETEND. I'm not in the mood for games.

I didn't send any memo to you lately.

I may have been born at night; but it wasn't last night.

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^drama

@enforcer48

Already used my dramatoken call for the day. I think it's every 24 hours but could be wrong.

@inertia, if you have a moment, could you let us know how often can we invoke?

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You can call drama until the voting power will no longer let you.

!dramatoken

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Oh come on! Can't someone just make a humor token so we can all laugh at my little outbursts? Look how I'm improving! I didn't even use foul language! Is there like a good job token I can get?

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I would be the kind of the wrong guy to mess with you... I am sure of it... but, if you so bring subject matter up "for whatever reason" (being that right or wrong, not judging that), why can't I do the same right?

Blockchain tech is still quite transparent... everything you do is mostly visible or tracked... who does not know that is naive, stupid, or not skilled enough to understand the technology they are using.

Everyone has his opinion and if this is a social network, respect will be important for being respected... but, what is the essence of personalities in here? Why people care? is it because there is humanity in the blockchain? is it because characters prove words? is this legally bound to your will?

So many questions I envision for the future...

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Do whatever you want. I was simply annoyed with that member and his spamming. The lie was unnecessary. I'm slightly annoyed with his post and the amount of confusion it caused over something so SIMPLE (how Palnet handles comments differently than Steemit, calling a feature an error, not being able to figure out simplicity, then claiming something so tiny will be the end game, then boosting these nonsensical ramblings up with paid votes...), plus he acts like a brown noser, and everything else here was me just joking around. I thought it was funny to point out how I didn't use the fucking f-word.

As for much of what you said, I'm sorry, I don't really know what you're talking about.

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😜 I need to read more I guess.. I am the one failing to understand... probably! Usually when I understand I either educate or don't comment. But sometimes, comments get loose... and curiosity against others... get in the way.

At the moment I just jumped in... not been following... unfortunately I can't do it for even 10% of what I foresee... so it becomes hard.

I could start a dissertation right here... but for now I will control myself. And get a !BEER for myself too.

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To view or trade BEER go to steem-engine.com.

Hey @nonameslefttouse, here is your BEER token. Enjoy it!

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Look how I'm improving! I didn't even use foul language! Is there like a good job token I can get?

How about an "Ear Muffs" Token for when people use "foul language"?

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I'd be stackin' ear muffs all day long.

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Well until then here is a little steem and pal to stack ;)

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Never seen a post of @nonameslefttouse with foul language... can you point me some on one of my posts... thanks.

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“Humor token” I like that!

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Try !BEER instead.

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To view or trade BEER go to steem-engine.com.

Hey @daveks, here is your BEER token. Enjoy it!

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You have DRAMA!

To view or trade DRAMA go to steem-engine.com.

No difference between palnet and steemit except for rewards and wallet section. The project is still new and I hope they fix whatever is making the comments disappear

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Hi @crypto.piotr, I'll try to answer your questions the best way I can from my own understanding.

Disappearing comments - I don't know if the write word to use is disappearing, don't get me wrong, you see when I post and put the various tags, not just palnet but spt, leo, weed, sct and others that have UIs'. I open all of them in different browsers and notice the count for comments on Steemit (higher) is different from that of others which are mostly lower.

The point here is that it doesn't add up to what I have on Steemit.com, so it isn't a matter of it coming and then disappearing but rather that it didn't come at all. I am reasoning that it is only comments of users that have that particular token that are reflected or if it is members who comment on that particular platform shows up. Just guess on that one.

what actually does happen to rewards if I upvote post on Steemit published by someone, who doesn't have account on PALnet? - I think they still get their share of the 50% curation, I say this because I didn't buy any Sports token but have been curating members who have been earning it and for that I have been receiving my share of the curation, I only just staked them when I got over 200+ of the sports token.

Based on that and since they are all Steem-Engine tokens, I believe it should be the same for the PAL curation.

I don't think I am looking at just Palnet.io but rather on all the tokens Steem-Engine has given life to. I read most of their whitepaper, many of them have been waiting for SMT and even given up hope of their business coming into existence because SMT hasn't still manifested.

Steem-Engine has given live to all of this in a very short time and I am willing to be patient with them solving the issues that come up with developments such as they have done.

Speempeak is also doing a lot of integration of all these new stuff we are seeing into their UI.

We should remember that all these developments are within a short period of about 4 months.

Thanks.

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Dear @ketcom

Thank you for your brilliant comment. love it!

I don't know if the write word to use is disappearing

I also don't know if it's the right word, but since we both understand each other then let's use this description :)

So I kind of figured already out, that "disappearing comments" have something to do with PALnet userbase. I'm not sure what's the advantage of this solution. Right now I'm trying to use PALnet.io to engage with people.

However all I have learned is that once I reply to everyone, I still need to visit my own profile via any other front-end (most likely Steemit) to spot those comments I didn't have a chance to read and reply yet.

Other people are in very similar position and my impression is, that most will stop using palnet.io sooner than later.

many of them have been waiting for SMT and even given up hope of their business coming into existence because SMT hasn't still manifested.

Do you personally know why people are expecting SMT so much? What will it allow businesses that steem-engine doesn't? I've been trying to figure out lately but so far I'm failing.

ps. I've noticed that you're receiving some Daily Earnings from minnowsupport. Would you mind telling me how does it work?

Did you delegate PAL? And how much did you delegate/stake to minnowsupport? Would you consider this profitable? Just curious.

Also any idea who is behind Steempeak?

Yours,
Piotr

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@crypto.piotr just check the team section here https://steempeak.com/about ;)

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Thank you @asgarth. I must be blind :)

I didn't know how to find "about" section from your main site. Now I already know.

Is there any way to reach out to you via DM?

Yours
Piotr

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Discord, both via DM or joining the SteemPeak channel here https://discord.gg/kgE7ass

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Hi @crypto.piotr,

Other people are in very similar position and my impression is, that most will stop using palnet.io sooner than later.

I think I started using palnet.io the second day it came into existence and before it I had used steemcoinpan.com and triplea.review all Steem-Engine product. I recognize and very much appreciate the speed of development never seen before on the Steem blockchain.

These developments have been coming based on user feedback and what they had intended to do. We're seeing staking, miners, delegations, bid bots and other developments. Like I said before, it is still early days about 4 months old, they still have a long way to go before my patience runs out.

In my case I hardly use the steemit.com platform to post, before the coming of the tribes I mostly post with busy.org and partiko. The tribes are offering me more so I don't see how I'm leaving them and start posting on steemit.com which offers me no incentive safe the SP and SBD/Steem payout.

ps. I've noticed that you're receiving some Daily Earnings from minnowsupport. Would you mind telling me how does it work?

I actually delegated 100 SP to minnowsupport because I felt like supporting the project and for that they give me upvotes on my post daily and a ration of PAL daily too (I didn't know about the daily PAL earning until I checked it some days back).

Did you delegate PAL? And how much did you delegate/stake to minnowsupport? Would you consider this profitable? Just curious.

I did not delegate SP to PAL. I was given about 409 during the claimdrop and as people were dumping it and it dropped to 0.05 Steem I start buying and staking it untill I got over 2200+ and the price had gone passed 0.3 Steem.

My staked PAL has seen me receiving free Airdrop of most of the tokens that offer them LEO, JAHM, INT, GG, GEEK and maybe others I do not know how they landed in my wallet.

For that alone I'll say staking my PAL has been excessively profitable.

Do you personally know why people are expecting SMT so much? What will it allow businesses that steem-engine doesn't? I've been trying to figure out lately but so far I'm failing.

As I mentioned in some of my comments and maybe one of my post, I think Steem is moving towards becoming the altcoin it intended to be at the beginning. A token that allowed mass transaction with zero fees, housing loads of DAPPs and providing a platform for communities to thrive.

Steemit.com which is a blogging platform was like the test case of how Steem could be used and it worked so people started seeing the platform as a blogging platform. Now SMT that was supposed to provide all these other user case had been sitting in the back burner for a long time because of lack of resources to fund that part of the development.

The sack of staff and trying to cut cost because the blockchain was in survival mode didn't help the case of SMT. Which is where HF21 comes into play.

From my understanding SMT offers direct creation of tokens on the blockchain, which means any changes would have to go through a HF. On the security level this is great because it offers full decentralization.

Steem-Engine on the other hand is a second level thingy on the back of the blockchain. Making changes is at the hands of the managers of Steem-Engine, development is rapid and their is still some level of decentralization as everything can be seem on the blockchain I think.

Also any idea who is behind Steempeak?

I've really forgotten about the people behind them, I know at the begining of my journey here I did know. It has been a long development path for them, I went back to checkout the platform because it offers viewing of almost all the tokens you're expecting reward from.

Woo! This has been a long reply, I was thinking I was writing a post at some point. Lol.

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Thx for your comment @ketcom

they still have a long way to go before my patience runs out.

lol :) good one :)

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

A token that allowed mass transaction with zero fees

Personally I think it's a scam. Zero fees is a lie. It's like saying that you don't have to pay taxes, but easy money will be printed and dumped on market like crazy to cover real operating costs.

I would rather witness some small transactions fee, instead of pretending that it's free and seeing Steem Inc. being forced to sell so much of their STEEM to pay for that real expenses.

Wouldn't you agree?

Steem-Engine on the other hand is a second level thingy on the back of the blockchain.

Indeed. With Steem-engine we can launch our tokens but it's still another layer. Right? So to purchase PAL token, one need to buy STEEM first.

Do you think that it will also be the case with SMT? Or would we be able to purchase PAL token directly on exchanges if it would be launched as SMT? Just curious.

Woo! This has been a long reply, I was thinking I was writing a post at some point. Lol.

YEAH! LOVE IT! :D

Yours
Piotr

Very good Mr @crypto.piotr.

I have a little over 100 days in all this that has to do with blockchain and criptomoney. In this case steem with its fornt-end steemit.

Al principio, llegué con gran motivación por lo que significaba trabajar en la creación de contenidos y mostrar a la gente que soy capaz de proponer un trabajo original y de calidad.

On the other hand, I must mention that I live in Venezuela and I work as a teacher in a public high school where a fortnightly salary is cancelled. Needless to say, the economic difficulties that we are going through, but which are not relevant in detail.

In addition, I want to make it clear that in the Latino community there is a lot of quality human talent that can contribute greatly to the blockchain through any of its frontend.

But. It is necessary that this effort and work be rewarded efficiently and in a relatively short to medium term. Because of our economic situation mentioned above, it is necessary to monetize in order to cover our basic expenses.

Now, when I began to reason what this world meant, I realized that for more effort, work and time, the economic rewards were going to be few because the great reward boat is taken by the Anglo-Saxon community, especially by the great whales, as they are called. In other words, the gaps for small and large users are almost impossible to reach.

When the palnet initiative was born, it was like a light for many of those small and new subscribers because being "new", maybe we could grow together with the project. And the differences between whales and small users would not be so deep.

As for the interface itself, I use them alternately. But more time is spent from palnet which is where I make my publications.

The missing messages

The problem is with the counter, the messages do not disappear are still there. What happens is that the counter does not add them all. It will have to be corrected.

In a nutshell. In my experience of a common user with little capital to invest, I think that palnet is another opportunity that opens up to show your contributions and that they are valued as they deserve.

Greetings.

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Dear @yonnathang

Thank you for your brilliant comment. love it!

Would you mind telling me what do you teach?

ps. God bless Venezuela.

Yours
Piotr

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All right, Mr. @crypto.piotr.

Thank you for rating my comment and for responding to it.

I have been teaching for 12 years in a public school. I work with young people from the age of 11 to about 17.

My speciality is mathematics, although I have also studied physics.

So here I am working in my free time for the platform.

I have little time in steem, I do not deny that I arrive with erroneous or deviant information of what it really means to be here. but looking for information on my own I am improving every time, to be able to contribute more to the community.

Greetings!

Comment are not disappearing, they are not shown. Those are comments that were written on another platform than PalNET. As such is is not specifically a PalNet-problem, it is a characteristic of al Nitrous frontends: they only show posts ánd comments specific for the frontend. A comment written on PalNET will not be visible on SteemLEO or on of the (by now) many other frontsends. The only place where you see them al is on Steemit. However, any comment entered on Steemit.com won't appear on PalNET/SteemLEo/etcetcetc.
One should be able to tag comments as well. Or the frontsends shouldn't be picky about the comments shown. As it is now, it is a bit of a nuisance.
The idea behind the posts and tags is sound I think: just shoe on the specific frontend what is meant for the specific front end. Comments, however, should be shown all, otherwise it is really hard to follow a comment trail.

Other than that: I am a great fan of PalNET. The ability to create communities for specific topics or areas is in my opinion a great advantage. Palnet is not specifically geared towards one topic, it is geared towards a certain attitude in posting, reading and commenting. The motto is "no nocere" which translates (rather freely) as "do no harm". You can post about anything you're interested in. You can comment whatever you like. As long as it is done civilized and respectfully. I like that.

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Correction: as others have said: all comments are indeed shown. Only the 'root-comments' are counted however. I posted my comment on steemit.com and it is shown here on palnet as well

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Hi @partitura

I also just realized that only "counter" is not working fine. That's a relief. I'm really hoping for PALnet to be succesful.

Yours
Piotr

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Dear @partitura

I very much appreciate your comment. Seriously thx big time for your effort.

Comment are not disappearing, they are not shown.

Very true. Thank you for correcting me.

As such is is not specifically a PalNet-problem, it is a characteristic of al Nitrous frontends: they only show posts ánd comments specific for the frontend

So I kind of figured already out, that "disappearing comments" have something to do with PALnet userbase. I'm not sure what's the advantage of this solution. Right now I'm trying to use PALnet.io to engage with people.

However all I have learned is that once I reply to everyone, I still need to visit my own profile via any other front-end (most likely Steemit) to spot those comments I didn't have a chance to read and reply yet.

Other people are in very similar position and my impression is, that most will stop using palnet.io sooner than later.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I strongly believe that this is what will take place. It seem that most front-ends are not seeing that they are forcing traffic out of their own sites.

ps.
I noticed that you invested strongly in PALnet and you're one of largest stakeholders. Are you perhaps part of their team?

Yours
Piotr

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No, I'm not part of their team. I'm just an enthousiastic early user... 😀

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It's me again @partitura

Comment are not disappearing, they are not shown.

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

Yours
Piotr

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Thanks @deathcross for sharing this link.

I believe I didn't have yet chance to read that post. Will check it out right away.

Yours
Piotr

hey @crypto.piotr

the comment count difference is much less severe than you think. for some reason the PALnet platform counts only top-level comments without including their replies right away like the steemit.com condenser does.

on top of that PALnet also uses some black-list filtering for accounts that have explicitly broken PAL community guidelines, but that will only be very few cases, the big difference really just comes from the way replies are counted.

concerning voting power, check this:

https://economicstudio.github.io/vp/?a=crypto.piotr&t=PAL

PAL voting power only depletes when voting on posts with the tag, hence some recommend keeping the stake in separate accounts

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Dear @fraenk

Thank you for being so responsive. I absolutely appreciate it.

Definetly current "counter" doesn't make much sense and is going to cause confusion and I can hardly imagine to be the only one being confused.

BIG Thx for that link.

Yours
Piotr

Haven't made an actual post just yet on the palnet platform so can't comment about the issues you had with the post, but by using the palnet tag you can get additional rewards so it's a win win situation for sure.

@crypto.piotr, PALNET hyped a lot that's for sure but in my opinion they will going to become an Established Ecosystem and until then let's enjoy this journey and one more thing, if we have suggestions then definitely we should let the team know about it so that they can improve it as soon as possible. And you've highlighted the Comment issue and it's appreciable aspect.

Keep up and have a great time ahead.

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Dear @chireerocks

I'm not really sure who is responsible for communication with community in PALnet

Yours, Piotr

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In my opinion members belongs to PAL Discord Server Community.

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hi @chireerocks

that's another problem. the only way to reach out to them is by discord. so communication channels are very limited. And I tried to contact them this way and guess what. Noone is really replying to any sort of questions :(

Cheers
Piotr

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Did you tried to communicate with @minnowsupport account?, because most of the updates we can see through that account only regarding PALNET.

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I'm not sure but I think its @aggroed. I don't know why but I get the impression he's one of the people behind PAL with how much he promotes it.

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Thx for dropping by @ahmadmanga

Any idea who is behind SteamPeak ?

Yours
Piotr

People will have to comment on your post on palnet in order for you to see it on there. If the comment from steemit its only showen on steemit.

I like the 50/50 alot, looking forward to the HF21 on steemit. But I dont use the platform, I have partiko installed on my phone and its mostly here I read articles.

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Dear @cwow2

Thank you for your comment buddy.

People will have to comment on your post on palnet in order for you to see it on there. If the comment from steemit its only showen on steemit.

So I kind of figured already out, that "disappearing comments" have something to do with PALnet userbase. I'm not sure what's the advantage of this solution. Right now I'm trying to use PALnet.io to engage with people.

However all I have learned is that once I reply to everyone, I still need to visit my own profile via any other front-end (most likely Steemit) to spot those comments I didn't have a chance to read and reply yet.

Other people are in very similar position and my impression is, that most will stop using palnet.io sooner than later.

Anyway that's just my own little opinion. Thx for sharing yours.

Yours,
Piotr

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But this is the same for any other user interface.
I think steemleo have the same problem.
Not sure about sportstalk or the steemcoinpan community

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Hi again @cwow2

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

Yours
Piotr

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Hey!
Thats good news @crypto.piotr!

Thanks for the infomation :D

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Dear Piotr, i think palnet is a new platform on the way to development, so it will be fixed some issue, but the best point i like is the way of rewarding, all is going into your wallet as fresh money and you can decide to power it up or not.
Did you notice i delegated you 200 Pal?
I hope you will appreciate it....

I think one of the main benefits is the better distribution of the PAL tokens, not being as heavily weighted with the whales. Also, I think most people really like the staking rewards, you earn both PAL and Steem on posts. Several condensers are coming out doing this.

PALNET is a revolutionary idea that is benefiting the whole community.
The project will have a great future!
I hope that in the future the possibility of searching for users will be implemented as you can already do with the normal Steemit interface.
I would like to search and vote for some users but I don't know how to find them.

Maybe the way is there and I didn't notice it?

Being palnet is basically a clone of steemit I don't see much point to it unless they got plans to improve further.

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From what I understand the palnet.io is just a front end interface like Steempeak, Busy, and others so many others. So you do have to be logged in on that site to post on that site whether a post or a comment. It is an easy fix for anyone trying to get to something to just change the palnet.io to steemit.com or your preferred front end. If someone doesn't want to create an account on the .io they don't have to. All tokens are redeemed on the Steem Engine site so the front end is non-essential you just need to use the tag.

I personally use Steempeak for my front end. With the new Tribe function, I just click on PALnet, SteemLeo, or such and I'm taken to the my feed for those that I know that are a part of that tribe, then you can click on Most rewarded or most recent posts to see what the .io has going on specifically. The wallet is much more comprehensive. I could go on. There are more positives than negatives. The only downfall versus eSteem and Partiko is there isn't a specific mobile version and you don't get upvoted.

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Thank you for your amazing comment @tryskele

I've noticed that SteemPeak is also creating their own token on Steem-engine. Do you know anything about it?

And any idea who is behind SteemPeak?

Yours
Piotr

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I haven't noticed a token yet. There is one that looks similar Steemspeak and I have no clue about that one. As for the people behind Steempeak the ones I know off the top of my head are @jarvie and @asgarth.

I think the disappearing comments due to the sync between two rocks database seemed to be lagging.

When I post in Steemit with palnet tag, it takes quite a while to update into the palnet interface.

I also realise when I am claiming the tokens they tend to lag a little further than Steemit on the updates too.

If you have remembered about how SMT is proposed, this seemed to be something that portrays that structure.

However regarding sustainability, its not going to work well enough if the ecosystem is similar to what steemit has been building.

If you have time, please take a look at my most recent 2 posts at @dses where I pointed out that there is a missing piece of the puzzle (in a normal country - not like Venezuela) context, and without that, sooner or later it can meet the lifespan of very similar social network platforms before Steem blockchain existed - crumble and fall; and I don't want that to happen.

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Thx for your comment @littlenewthings

I think the disappearing comments due to the sync between two rocks database seemed to be lagging.

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

If you have remembered about how SMT is proposed, this seemed to be something that portrays that structure.

I actually tried to understand concept of SMT but so far I'm failing. Would you be able to share some post explaining it well? Or perhaps you could tell me what is so great about SMT that so many people seem to wait for it?

Yours
Piotr

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SMT in summary are another layer of opportunity to have each community to have their own tokens that later can take off independently.

To me, it looks a lot like Malaysia reward points from all the major business entities.

Remember those Grab points, BHP patrol points, etc?

But in the steem blockchain they work like Steemit but each community have their own "clan tokens".

Which to me can be redundant unless one stands stronger than another, and they are called "smart contracts".

But right now these are not SMT, they are just community determined value tokens (reward points) that sits in the database.

Hence they are called SCOTs, @crypto.piotr

But the interesting part is that they can develop their own reward structure, including curator and author reward split, maturity days (SCT matures in 3 days), and the way how they can filter their content on their "search results interface" based on their own created hashtags.

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Thank you for this amazing answer @littlenewthings (hug)

There is so much confusion going on with palnet and other social platforms here. I commented on a post which was on palnet but the man who replied was visible on palnet but not on other platforms. But I think this platform will be very good for starters in steem blockchain. Thank you @juanmolina for informing me about this post.

Hi @crypto.Piotr, I have little time publishing with the label of palnet and if I had realized the disappearance of the messages and inferi that are of those who are not registered but the issue is that those registered do not appear.

Another thing that we fail to see are users who we vote.


They can be details that are still working developers. By now I don't feel competent to envision the future of Palnet. Let us hope progress satisfactorily.

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Thx for your comment @belkisa758

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

Yours
Piotr

Hi, my dear friend!

Some people like the same things, don't like changes... I mean about the platform PALNET, It remembers me my first time in Steemit. And the wallet, perfect! Like the old times ;)

So... the mystery of the missing comments is solved... They count the direct comments and not the replies to the comments, I guess It's just lazy bots hahaha

I normally use PALNET occasionally due to nostalgia for the wallet. What I always do is put the PALNET tag in my post ;P

What terrifies me about the PAL token is its fluctuations, I see it rising and falling constantly.

Don't be a stranger!

Cheers!

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dear @jadams2k18

So... the mystery of the missing comments is solved... They count the direct comments and not the replies to the comments, I guess It's just lazy bots hahaha

Yeah. It's solved. However this counter is very misleading ....

Cheers
Piotr

Hm ...

i don't see any entries for PALnet /USD, when i google it i get something about planetcoin ... so ...

they have the hyperinflation steemit has and the option to stripmine even faster :D ... they must have a secret thing then going on maybe i should check it out, first thing i hear about it thanks @crypto.piotr - in the end spinoffs don't seem to last, as you said, its not the first one and let's not forget steemit DOES have money , im not sure however, how they plan keeping on if their prime source is selling off their own token as they are the biggest dumper of itself. The primary objective should be to make secondary income prime so that the only reason to sell off steem for them would be to keep the sbd peg in check, and i think that's actually what they're trying. All the bs (pardon my french) on self-voting and what not is (i think) something to keep a few elders happy with the original idea that it's all about written / good content ... when they no longer need to sell off their own coin that's a start but onboarding BIG accounts is a must, i don't think the community or the fortune 50 is really all into that , just a lot of

talking about it

maybe i'll check that palthing out :)

oh actually (see i do it again) i wanted to ask where is their API ? (like you have condenser here?) or is it just a simple forum clone with zero backend you can use as enduser ? anyone knows before i take actual time to go overthere and see ?

All I can say is they are all great that's all and thank you @crypto.piotr for the wonderful content. I love all of them PAL, Steemit, Leo, ect.

Palnet's a good idea.
I think it'll stay longer and get a big following.

Hi dear @Crypto.Piotr,

I just want to say that I do like all the 'obvious similarities and differences', specially the 50/50 pool as it was before HF21 at steemit, and that the comments aren't disappearing, that probably is an error on Your end.

I've noticed comments not updating at palnet at first and after refreshing posts, both on steemit and palnet, all the comments are there in both platforms, try refreshing, cleaning cookies, caches, etc, and see if they appear ;)

The additional question You've made, I do believe was perfectly answered by @BAShadow

Have a great day,
Cy

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Thx for your comment @cyberspacegod

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

Yours
Piotr

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There is no need to thank ; )

Well, I don't have the amount of comments You have, but on my side there are no counters misleading or not functioning 100%, at least it didn't happen yet and I have checked to see if something changes and nothing changed =X.

Cheers,
Cy

I like palnet, and I believe it has a great feature. Maybe they should work on their disappearing comments, but it's not bad to want comments only made by your members to appear. This might push more people to register with you.

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Aside from the differences you noted in payout splits etc. one of our major plans is to develop a customized front end integrating our msp-waves radio station and some other fun things.

I'm not entirely sure what's happening with the comment issue but kinks are still being worked out with scotbot.

As for your last question, if you upvote someone on steemit who has not used the palnet tag it doesn't affect your PAL vp at all. Everyone who has a steem account has a palnet account, it is all dependent on wether they used the palnet tag on the post or not.

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Dear @juliakponsford

Thank you for your comment. Appreciate it.

You've wrote "one of our major plans is to develop a ..."

Are you part of PALnet team?

Yours
Piotr

Hi @crypto.piotr. About a week ago I received a wallet message with a link to your comment, explaining how we should support your PROJECT #HOPE by delegating PAL tokens to you. I followed your detailed instructions and ended up GIVING (instead of delegating) you 209 PAL tokens. Now that you don't like PAL a my more, is there a chance I get it back?

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Pal is sure the best interface along with its own environment and tokens. I can see the frequent changes that I am adapting as well, it is like running the holds. I usually write a blog and get upvote by sending some token to minnow support and after that, I use the steem again to buy PALs so it is like running what you hold.

I like PAL and how it's more my preference (all rewards are unstaked, it takes only 4 weeks to unstake.. etc) It's also powered by a powerful STEEM community I was part in since my start (more like lurking,) I know if I found a problem I'll get an answer in PALnet Discord.

I didn't notice the problem of disappearing comments, though I mostly use eSteem rather than Palnet.io so maybe that's why?

I have learned not to jump the gun here - pal is new and they are working out bugs. I am earning money by using their tag and getting airdrops of other coins because I am in pal. I do not visit the site now since I am too busy otherwise to mess with it.

Does anyone know what actually does happen to rewards if I upvote post on Steemit published by someone, who doesn't have account on PALnet?

It just means you did not use your voting power in pal. You have less of a disparity than most of us so you must be voting while you are in there:
https://economicstudio.github.io/vp/?a=crypto.piotr&t=PAL

I do not use Palnet.io. I learned about Steempeak recently and am using the interface now. I like what aggroed is doing a lot. I wonder for how long Steem is going to stay down in price. I think that the interface hides comments not from the other communities for better for worse. I guess it all comes down to user preference.

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Thank you for your amazing comment @dm312

I've noticed that SteemPeak is also creating their own token on Steem-engine. Do you know anything about it?

And any idea who is behind SteemPeak?

I wonder for how long Steem is going to stay down in price.

As long as Steem Inc. will be flooding markets with their STEEM tokens (to cover operating expenses)

Cheers, Piotr

hello friend seems very interesting according to what expressed in your post this platform will have very good benefits thanks for sharing a hug ..

I see that Palnet will do the same as Steemit, the whales will always vote among themselves and will abandon the sardines.

These are tribal hubs rather than just alternative/reskinned steem UIs.
I think this is why the disappearing comments are ultimately a good thing. Each tribe can decide on membership, blacklisting etc. I think this'll give a more community feel to each tribe because tribe members can find each other's comments more easily.
I expect that, over time, the tribal interfaces will diverge more and more from each other. That is, I believe they will incorporate features that are of specific value to that community. Starting with a skinjob and token integration is a good entry point to get a community up and running fast and, if they attract suitable dev talent, can then gradually add in the community specific features.
I think PAL is going to be around for a while.

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Dear @eturnerx

I think this is why the disappearing comments are ultimately a good thing. Each tribe can decide on membership, blacklisting etc. I think this'll give a more community feel to each tribe because tribe members can find each other's comments more easily.

Partly true. However if "regular joe" would realize that each time after checking PALnet and replying to comments, he still need to change front end to read and reply to all missing comments, then it would end up only with this user abandoning PALnet (noone likes to do same job twice).

Luckily I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

Yours
Piotr

im using Palnet and im engaging with more people now than never, i was already lookin for some visibility with my music and my daily blogging post and coincides with all this tribes happening, i saw a lot of members committed to grow and this "problem" that you see i can see it like an advatage on his front end, because will show you people that like you, is active on a new coin in which many users are investing so, (among many reasons that can be visualized because cryptocoins + plus honest comunities.), it's a new to be able to give more meaningful votes to the post that they like. (be whales, do changues.) my opinion. also, if you want to see all the comments you can go to Steemit, with keychain i dont see this split of pages like a headache (this pages are still new and thank god we had developers in many zones of the globe doing his works to a decentralized world.)

so, i think all of us here are on the right side of the storie, because we're all intrepeneurs on the future, now.

I think PALnet is good, the way they rewarding. Unlike steemit that you thought you earned big from your blog but at the end you didn't earn well. If this continues, I'll go to PALnet.

The issue I'm just wondering in @palnet is they take too much time before they load, blog, wallet and everything. Maybe because of internet connection, but in steemit I never experience it. That's why I'm just wondering

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I think PAL is a proof of concept for a greater ecosystem. While we can all sit and knit pick the UI and what it brings to the user experience its really looking at the concept through the eye of a needle.

It's showing that it's possible to turn STEEM into a website CMS for your own community and while at the moment we replicating the steem front end it won't always be this way.

Projects coming on board will want to use their own designs, pull in their own data from the blockchain and create different content experiences as well as reward structures.

If we want steem to mean more to more people I think this is a good way fo taking it forward and breaking up the experience into niche sites that have their own way of running things and governance and further pushing for decentralisation

This post has received a 3.13 % upvote from @drotto thanks to: @juanmolina.

I can not understand what is good with PAL? I get coins that I can sell but what is better Than posting in Partiko to steemit? The best way to get more People to steemit - is it a Lot of tags and tokens?

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I add one more differense.
read about it in details here:
https://www.palnet.io/palnet/@lyndsaybowes/viewing-the-steem-blockchain-through-pal-coloured-glasses

as for my personal experience, I dont want to tell a lot yet. I may say, it havent settled down yet. but probably - its a decent effort, an experiment, to establish more decent ground beneth the foot, figurally speaking, as steemit becoming a rotten paddle...

Greetings brother @crypto.piotr.

This publication seems very interesting to me, the topic that you tackled is key to understand the functioning of all these new platforms that are emerging on Steem's blockchin.

Is Palnet.io a clone of Steemit?
I would not see it that way.

I recently noticed that on the steempeak platform. com an option is set in its menu titled: "Tribes". This caught my attention. When entering this option we find several platforms, all of them pretend to group users around a specific topic (apparently). But there is a detail, almost all these new "tribes" adopted an interface almost identical to that of steemit.
The question: why?
I imagine they did not want to generate an effect of "resistance to change" in the users. Perhaps this is a consensus decision between the new developers and those of Steemit.

As for the "ghost comments".
I made my own comparison with one of my publications. You're right!
Does not match the number of comments.

But checking, the comments are there. There are 8 comments. The ones that Steemit indicates. I can visualize and read them from both platforms. But not all are accounted for in Palnet.
My Hypothesis: Palnet only counts the comments that are written from palnet.io.
I would have to verify this.

Thank you for inviting me to your publication, dear friend.

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The comment count is different because palnet only counts the direct replies to the post without including the replies to those comments where steemit simply counts all comments.

See my comment here.

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Great!

Thank you very much.

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Wow @fraenk.

I love how responsive and supportive you are :) Appreciate your time and effort.

Yours,
Piotr

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After reading your original post I felt prompted to check what the difference in numbers came down to... I was just eager to share my aha-moment, maybe I was just bragging ;)

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Well, I'm grateful that you've shared your aha-moment with us @fraenk :)

Appreciate it.
Cheers, Piotr

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Thx for your comment @juanmolina

I made my own comparison with one of my publications. You're right!
Does not match the number of comments.

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

Yours
Piotr

Saludos @crypto.piotr. Todo lo que es hecho para mejorar, para mí es bienvenido. Adelante, todo el éxito del mundo para usted y el grupo al cual está apoyando.

I haven't noticed comments are gone.
I post via partiko and visit palnet to comment and upvote over there.
The answers I can see in Partiko and I can respond again.

I hope I can create an account as @fitinfun described so IFK vote on palnet it will not cost me Steem. So far I did not manage to do so.

I think palnet will have more future as steemit after the next fork. It is not encouraging for starters/those with low SP especially not with Steem dropping.

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Thanks I cannot start and account even need way more RC now. So have to power up or buy steem is the messag 🤔

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I'm trying to find us free accounts. I know people who have some.

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Steemit.com is free 2 weeks waiting.

Steemmonsters 10$ plus pack

Steempeak is 2,50$ plus 25 SP for 60 days.

I tried Partiko and used my invite code/link

https://partiko.app/referral/wakeupkitty

Partiko is for free! I have my account and used giftgiver.me for the SP.

Let me know if I should make them for you.
I did it via the Partiko app. Only need to fill out the account name and your email. Rest is register via email. ☘💕

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Oh wow! You are on it! You will need to teach me, as I think you will be quicker, @wakeupkitty.

Also - do this contest post:
https://steempeak.com/gratitudechallenge/@theycallmedan/the-gratitude-challenge

I'm in steempeak now since steemit is acting up for me.

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I just have the extra account don't know what to do next 🤔

@felt.buzz has to guide us

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It should not be too hard. Where did you get the account from and at what cost,@wakeupkitty .

Strange on the dissapearing comments.. I wonder if the RPC node running hte site has it's settings tweaked and this is causing that?

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nah, I think palnet only counts root-comments exclusive of the replies under those where steemit simply counts all comments... the number of comments actually shown under the posts is the same unless there's comments by users that are on palnet's own black-list, but that's a different matter

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That's exactly what it is. I actually prefer Palnet's way. I can sit under a post and have a 100 comment conversation with one person. That's 100 comments but who the hell wants to hear me talking about ducks? Or whatever. Spaghetti dinners. Palnet shows everyone 35 different folks paid me a visit today. What could be happening there? They'll wonder. Far superior that way over Steemit's way.

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I hadn't even looked at it that way... but you're right... the way it's shown, palnet is actually giving the more relevant information here

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Yes indeed. If Steemit switched to that I would not be upset at all. I'd be impressed.

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Hi @fraenk

I'm not sure what do you mean. How would it be more relevant information? I'm failing to understand.

yours
Piotr

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I was actually just agreeing with @nonameslefttouse's statement above.

I can sit under a post and have a 100 comment conversation with one person. That's 100 comments but who the hell wants to hear me talking about ducks? Or whatever. Spaghetti dinners. Palnet shows everyone 35 different folks paid me a visit today. What could be happening there? They'll wonder.

I've quoted him again for you here, because it's probably not that easy to keep track of every thread while replying to all those many comments you've received as a result of your proxy sending out those advertisement-pennies. ;)

The key is that the SCOTtribe-condenser shows how many different comment threads are in a post as compared to a simple counter of all comments in the default steemit condenser.

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Hi @fraenk

Thank you for your kind reply.

The key is that the SCOTtribe-condenser shows how many different comment threads are in a post as compared to a simple counter of all comments in the default steemit condenser.

I understand that you agreed with mentioned user. However I'm simply failing to see things the way you guys do. I like to see real number of upvotes and comments :)

Also current way will surely cause more confusion. Simply because no other social media does count comments the way Palnet does.

it's probably not that easy to keep track of every thread while replying to all those many comments you've received as a result of your proxy sending out those advertisement-pennies. ;)

It surely is time consuming, however its fun to read all comments and engage with people like yourself.

Yours
Piotr

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Very possible fraenk!

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Dear @fraenk

Thank you for your comment. Indeed, you seem to be right. Appreciate.

It is very confusing and current "counter" doesn't seem to make any sense to me. Try to explain to anyone new why does it say that you've 5 comments while reality is that there are (example) 10. It does look a bit misleading and confusing.

Again, big thx.

Yours
Piotr

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I wonder if you can see this comment.

Pal is a good beginning right now. Let's continue to enjoy the good work for the now into the future. I know it will becomes better by the way.

Don't Forget The Airdrops!

This is very important. I've received a lot of tokens simply because I held some PAL. Recently I got about 1 INT Toke per 6 PAL I had staked. Based on market prices it was like getting a 8.5% dividend.

I like PAL so far, I mainly post from SteemPeak which I think meets all my needs so far....but I have a been a long time supporter of PAL/minnowsupport program...and I believe this is heading in the right direction.

Looking forward how this can help Artists creators of content in the long run, I saw that @isaria and (shane)@swelker101 have something prepared, however not entirely sure how much will this will be related to PAL or if will be something completely apart.

Hello friend @crypto.piotr after reading your publication I'm very curious what you say about not appearing comments on the PALNET.io platform but I think and still have not checked something has to do with the registration on that platform or the claim of their pal, I repeat I have not checked, however I did some tests with my last publication and I noticed that in steemit I have 21 comments and in palnet only reflect 12 the only difference I could notice is that apparently palnet only counts the comments that have votes. including the same publication.

That was the only thing I could see differently.

I hope that my observation will serve as something for other friends who can ask themselves that question...

Greetings my good friend I hope you are very well

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Drar @lanzjoseg

after reading your publication I'm very curious what you say about not appearing comments

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

Yours
Piotr

I agree with your thoughts.
I use Steempeak primarily. Why? The extra features such as their templates (unlimited, as far as I can see) and scheduling abilities make it a very good option for me.

I have been on palnet - as I am right now...
But besides the fact that you can't see any non-palnet posts/comments (which is really shortsighted, I think), my upvotes are worthless again - even after staking all the PAL tokens I have. If I have to choose between PAL and Steem, I'm going to stick with Steem for now.

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my upvotes are worthless again - even after staking all the PAL tokens I have.

@viking-ventures Lori, please will you be so kind to clarify what did you mean by saying this? I dont understand the plot, at all. please?

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Maybe it was an error then.
My upvote on Steem is worth 0.02 to 0.03 SBD.
My upvote on Palnet is worth 0.073 PAL. I have no idea how that compares to Steem though.
The first time I tried it, I didn't see any change at all when I upvoted, so I thought it wasn't doing anything. Perhaps I was too quick.

I hope somebody can elaborate on the disappearing comments... that definitely seems to be an issue.

I do agree with most of the others that the distribution of tokens makes the content a little bit different. There's always good stuff on palnet and it seems to be a better representation of active content creators.

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Drar @mastersa

I hope somebody can elaborate on the disappearing comments... that definitely seems to be an issue.

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

Yours
Piotr

Hey @crypto.piotr, nice post. Steem is being flooded with tokens. Tbh, I don't even no how many front ends have cropped up. My initial thought about palnet was confusing. However, things have started to settle in my head and here is what I think.

I think palnet is a decent experiment. For newbies on steemit, who worry about sp distribution disparity, palnet is a great way to gather tokens early on. My only concern is what if I build another palnet tomorrow, say karamnet. and then yognet. to what end do we build interfaces? anyway, hoping there is just palnet which is an exact clone of steemit, this is great to get new people on board steem and solve some of the problems of dissatisfied new steemians.

There are also a lot of other interfaces, like steemleo, sportstalk, etc, that are like subreddits. obviously tokens of these will generate value depending on how interesting a community is. and overall if more people can come to steemit thanks to these new communities, then i think the overall value of the blockchain goes up.

I think these are nice little experiments and we should wait for further clarity. I did not however know this concept of vanishing comments. should not be the case as palnet is backed by the same blockchain as steemit and immutability of records is written in stone.

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I very much appreciate your comment @karamyog

Thx for sharing your view on Palnet.

I did not however know this concept of vanishing comments. should not be the case as palnet is backed by the same blockchain as steemit and immutability of records is written in stone.

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

Yours
Piotr

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Haha ok, that's good to know.

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Thanks to you for telling us so beautiful air drop, I really like using Palnet and it's certainly a great effort to get more steam block chains or cryptocarcins in a much more profitable future, and that's exactly what we hope for something better in the future. From you

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Hi @crypto.piotr
PAL or palnet is highly popular tag as on today and you can every other post with palnet tag. Reason find it is very simple because people want to earn PAL token using this tag.

I had taken part in the air drop and got over 300 tokens instantly. I even checked their web portal but I did not find it much useful. As you said before it's a copy of steemit website. All the options are similar except the web address. If I talk about myself then I even don't use steemit on daily basis weather use eSteem mobile and pc version, busy and Partiko sometimes.

I agree with you that palnet team has fantastic work in marketing but user transition from steemit to palnet.io will not be easy.

Thanks brother @crypto.piotr a nice post about the current news in Steem platform. Have a great day.

Well, to me there is no desire to post via palne.io because the features in palnet is almost if not exactly as that of steemit. Any time I make a post there, it just seems as though I just made a post with the usual steemit platform.

I just hope they would upgrade it to a better standard in no distance time.

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Hi @maxwellmarcusart

I was wondering if you're using steemit or perhaps steampeak as your front-end?

Yours
Piotr

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I usually use steemit to make my post and often times I use Partiko to reply, comment and upvote post.

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Greetings @ crypto.piotr

PALnet represents an alternative for more advanced Steemit users, who seek publications with better content and presentation quality.

With regard to invisible comments, this happens when the person making the comment is not active on the platform where it is not displayed.

Thank you for developing and maintaining these spaces for debate and brainstorming, with which knowledge is built and reinforced.

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Dear @tramelibre

PALnet represents an alternative for more advanced Steemit users, who seek publications with better content and presentation quality.

I like how you described it. Seriously.

The way I look at all the platforms like Palnet is that they are merely baby steps into creating real communities on Steemit. I still see many fundamental flaws in the entire scotbot system that I like to see changed before investing with confidence. Right now basically everyone is it for the money seeing it as an opportunity to earn more without really caring about the community or the actual content (Same human issue Steemit now has). Having to use multiple tags screws up the entire purpose of them. You basically need another Steem account for each tribe as the upvotes are all coupled to each other and there is little to nothing that backs up any of the value of the tokens (aside from the upvotes that can be bough with them converting them to Steem). Not to say that everything is getting even more confusing than it already was and SMT's haven't even been introduced yet along with HF21

I can see it all working if communities were invite only and much smaller in scale while the tokens themselves are directly linked to the value of steem and can be converted back at any time. Off course this means and actual investment is needed to give the tokens value instead of just creating them out of thin air.


I also have the disappearing comments issue. it looks like when you reply using steemit it just doesn't show on the tribe interface. Also editing images (actifit for example) shows on steemit while on Palnet it will keep showing the default actifit image.

So yeah, overall I remain rather skeptical.

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I very much appreciate your comment @costanza

Thx for sharing your view on Palnet.

I also have the disappearing comments issue. it looks like when you reply using steemit it just doesn't show on the tribe interface.

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

Yours
Piotr

I am very glad with using PALnet since it has been launced. What I like most is that you get rewards both on Steemit and PALnet if you use palnet tag and the upvoters have staked PAL token. I didn't notice the disappearing comment problem.

Will you make a post about LEO Token too?

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Hi @videoaddiction

Will you make a post about LEO Token too?

I didn't plan it. Partly because I just discovered Steem LEO few days ago. Are you personally interested with this platform?

Cheers
Piotr

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I both use palnet and steemleo tags.

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Another perfect sharing from you. Your experiance is very valuable for every steemit users. Thank you again

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Thank you for your kind words @huseyinunozkan16 :)

Might people already familiar to steemit interface and as according to you Pal is another clone if steemit and they think it does't need to change the interface and HF21 system

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As I read your post, I was like Piotr is crazy.. PALnet is simply awesome. It makes Steemit easier to use and I get more stuff (PAL). Then I read disappearing comments and was like what? Yeah, that can be a problem. Well, I guess PALnet figures Steemit can be the old guy manning the the library archives while it acts as the young gun taking the lead and fresh spoils. If this is how it works out in the end, with Steemit as our personal history and PALnet as our fun-to-use front end, then awesome.

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Thx for your comment @machnbirdsparo

Then I read disappearing comments and was like what? Yeah, that can be a problem.

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

Yours
Piotr

Pas beaucoup d'intérêt pour cette plateforme qui n'est qu'une copie de Steemit. Elle me sert uniquement lorsque Steemit ou Busy sont en panne ou en maintenance.

Pal is a good system to help bloggers like me who struggle to earn on these sites.

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Dear @crypto.piotr, very interesting comparative analysis. To be honest I have not stopped to detail those differences but it is very interesting what you express about the invisible comments ...

You may have to see if the users that issued those comments have accounts in palNet.io or not, as you mentioned earlier that only posts containing the palnet tag are shown in the interface. It's just speculation, I'm not sure about this but it would be good to find out.

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Thx for your comment @fucho80

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

Yours
Piotr

Dear @crypto.piotr,

I think that using steempeak actually allows you to better understand the principle behind palnet, Leo, and other such front-ends. Not two people are interested in the exact same thing, and Steemit is more like some cauldron into which are thrown all the subjects, than an organized blog.

The front page looks like a mash of all that you don't want, with a few that you may randomly be interested about. Those communities make it much easier to know what you want to sort out all the posts in the blockchain. If you want to hear about sports, go to the sports frontend, if you want your specific group of friend's posts, have your own front-end.

With this, you get the diversity & sorting necessary. Also, the tokens are a countermeasure to the unfriendly bots who downvotes people as much as they can. They kill the friendliness on steemit. So people do side tokens to prevent those bots from attacking members of their community.

As for the disappearing comments, I think that it's people who are not on palnet.
Have fun & post well,
Djenny Floro.

PS: could you please add me to your posts CC, so that I'm pinged when you post something new? Thanks!

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Thank you for your amazing comment @djennyfloro

I've noticed that SteemPeak is also creating their own token on Steem-engine. Do you know anything about it?

And any idea who is behind SteemPeak?

PS: could you please add me to your posts CC, so that I'm pinged when you post something new? Thanks!

I'm glad to hear that you want to be in touch :)

Cheers, Piotr

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Greetings @crypto.piotr,

I haven't seen the SteemPeak token, however, you might have confused with the SteemSpeak Token, which is from Fyrstkitten witness. This token has been created to be the pillar of a community (Steemspeak) and then help with in-community services.

It's a great place to gain exposure & help for beginners striving to see their posts seen by the world.

Have fun :)

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Thank you for your kind reply @djennyfloro

Oh wow. I really confused it with "SteemSpeak Token" So I'm guessing Steemspeak community will have nothing to do with Steempeak community? Damn. Those names are so similar and confusing :/

Yours
Piotr

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That is in fact a fit name since SteemSpeak is where you can go to meet in vocal other members of the community on discord and network with others. It helps its members who don't have yet an account with a free instant steem account through inv token, to help them make a good start.

@crypto.piotr did you see my memos recently? I'm unsure if you had the time to see my replies to your comments on my post?

Have fun :)

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Dear @djennyfloro

I'm very sorry for such a late reply. Past few days were very buy and a bit messy.

I already got familiar with your Project Ark and if you would ever like to reach out to me via telegram (crypto_piotr) or discord (crypto.piotr#3426) then you know how to find me :)

Yours
Piotr