Muting the better downvoting?

2년 전

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If someone in our middle misbehaves we put him into prison.

In some areas society even has the right to kill an individual.

I dont want to discuss the non sense or sense of this here I would rather discuss how this applies to steemit.

We have 2 weapons to fight spam and plagiarism

downvoting

muting

I am using both a bit to less but I started to utilize muting way more.
While a downvote is more a slap on the fingers as the person can come back and try another time, muting is like a personal death sentence.

It is a bit like putting someone in prison or throwing someone out of my house, unless he creates a new account I will not hear from that person again.

I dont see any posts or comments anymore. Out of my house, out of my life.

I want to focus on the positive things in life as well as on steemit and so I dont want to waste precious voting power on this spammers, I rather upvote a post which is worth upvoting.

As @theaustrianguy pointed out in a comment yesterday

"It may sound weird - but I think more "spammers" are a positive sign as well - This means the platform gets more and more attention and more users. Of course this also involves users from poorer countries.

And if those users now they can't produce anything at least a little bit meaningful, they just try spamming. And hey, it might even work for them. One 1% from a whale per day is easily more than the current averge monthly earnings in many, many countries around the world."

I see it similar spamming is a annoying but positive sign as it shows there is interest and something valuable enough to try to get through spamming.

Andreas Antonopoulos said in one of his speeches to have scaling issues we first need enough interest that there is something to scale.

But what if we ignore the spammers will they just spam each other and upvote each other and rape the reward pool like this?

Imagine yourself as a circle on steemit and the more relationships you build here the more you overlap with other circles (steemians). You grow your network. You meet friends of friends and grow, maybe slowly but surely and this will also show on the engagement of your posts.

The usual spammer doesnt have this effect. When I am taking a look into their account they usually pretty lonely in the steemitworld.

I am very interested in your 2 cents about this topic.

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I’m gonna starting using the mute button now . For a couple days now I have been downvotinv but it’s not really. Hanging how people act and I’m not sure if it will change...

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I dont think it will change but that is probably part of the "game"

It’s a basic incentive. People will keep doing the thing that gives them the largest reward, with minimal effort, and without getting punished. It’s the same thing with corruption and scams. As long as they are allowed to continue and make a profit larger than the salary of a legal business, people will keep on doing it.

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I read the post you were commenting on and your response caught my eye. So true what you say. Challenge: how does Steemit address this? I imagined in my childish way that everyone upvoted as I did because they either enjoyed, got something out of, or at least appreciated the post. Then I learnt of Bots. Surely the people who make bots could do it better? Thanks for this.

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I assume you mean you've read my topic about incentives?

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No I haven't read your topic on incentives. I looked at your page, you're quite opinionated so I wanted to see what I agreed with (or not) and in the main I think you have a fairly balanced viewpoint, still trying to work out what era you really emerged from. I'm too old to worry about the meme's thing, but pick up on it now and then. Are you interested in foreign film? I see you must have a liking for or interest in Japanese cartoon films. I would like to know if you saw the Red Turtle. Meme's as such are beyond my thought process. Where may I read your topic about incentives?

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I grew up in the 80s. I didn't watch the Red Trutle. Here is the topic.

https://steemit.com/life/@thatanimesnob/how-incentives-work

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Well you're really smart that's for sure. I get it now, anime being the Manga style/Japanese style cartoons, is that right? My husband is a great fan and as a graphic designer and artist, thinks some of the artwork brilliant. That said, I grew up in the '40s and 50s so that makes me ancient. Not so ancient that I don't understand blockchain and cryptocurrency etc. I could write a book about my attempts at getting on certain sites so that when I want to move some funds later on, I can do so and get some small income. Blighted at every turn so far. Now, you mention Greece. I was there in through the 1970's and 80's and a bit beyond. I used to write and travel. I learned a lot and absolutely love Greece and the Greeks. Indeed my daughter and two grandchildren also all speak Greek (my grandkids gave up a lot of Saturday's to attend Greek school in the mornings) but my son-in-law doesn't speak Greek, he just shakes his head and says a few words. They love him in Greece by the way, even though he makes little effort but he is very amiable. Enough said. Your topic was totally educational and from what I see you don't like the way things happen on Steemit that are unfair, because that's what they are. You have to keep on doing your thing and I am certain it will earn you lots in the long run, we are not on this for the short term. I am following to see how you go. Adio. Happy Steeming!

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What do you think of my recent topic about crypto? (it's on my blog)

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I appreciated your post a lot. I spoke to someone yesterday whom I know had bought some Bitcoin as a way of perhaps later diversifying and who was watching the markets. He said that the market collapsed on Monday and Bitcoin lost a lot, but he said cryptocurrency is the future and that governments were investing in it too, despite calls for regulation. Anyway it bounced right back. I finally sent some Steem to a website, I won't say which one, because it's new to me and I spent ages just trying to get the security right, now I have no idea what I have, what it's worth. I'll let you know if it's just a load of rubbish or it works. I may just as well left my Steem where it was and powered up! Anyway, all you state is true and when you finally stated that "if you don't pay money, you didn't lose money. It only means you make a lot less than expected." that's exactly how many who joined Steemit last year, including myself, I'm sure had felt. I am still enjoying Steemit because we can have conversations randomly such as this, and because there is good stuff out there. I like the idea of a community and for the values it says it likes to promote, but unfortunately, like life, there is the good and the bad. I resteemed as more people should read this. Thank you

Love my mute button :-)

I like the idea, that more spammers on steemit means, that there is more attention...and I think, muting is more powerful than flagging because it doesn't cost you steempower which you can use to upvote something positive.

A little bit of a harsh, a discipline to moderate things, not rushing to avoid errors over and over again and again.
You're doing perfectly right @flipstar!

Man its internet & social networking where you find spammers & scammers on your way .But its hard to find the spammers among community ,which is a main cause of letting them to spam .

Well, downvoting is a clear sign of two things, one is that you dont like the person or you down like the content that he published. It could also mean attacking him. In every culture, it may have different meaning like shutting him up as like muting them so to speak.

But I come to think of this that each person and individual has different level of knowledge or skills in terms of writing/ blogging. And because Steemit is a social media, we cannot really tell someone to shut up or stop spamming. Some people who do posting, sometime they dont realize that they are making spams by the way they post, though some are actually intentionally do it. Some people who are less fortunate and less educated are actually reaching out by social media and sometimes we interpret these as spamming. Well, it is difficult to shut somebody when they think of themselves as in the right position in a social media space. Even one of them really make noise just to be heard.

But of course there is always ways to filter spams and not spams and the dev should help us on this using some kind of smart algoritm.

Still, everyone has the freedom to voice out and get heard especially that steem has always rewards for these people. Money always make sense in everyone's action.

It's hard to find spammers , many spammers are there in internet .
Btw valuable post . @flipstar
need to clean spammers

Upvoted and resteemed.

i agree..it effects the reward pool in one way or the other which will effect the geniune community

Haven't really muted anyone before, but I agree that muting is way better than a downvote. Doesn't cost anything and the muted person has no way of knowing who muted whom

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You can find out but I dont think they bother.

@flipstar
Haven't used either down vote or mute, but good to know there are those options, I do think the great thing about @steemit is that any posts/content which is not worthy of any attention just disappears into the ether organically.

The community simply ignores those who chose to disrupt the core values and intentions behind @steemit, thereby automatically making them irrelevant.

I do love the beauty of its function, by rewarding those who uplift and those who genuinely have great content which aims to educate and uplift follow humans.

Loving @steemit - stay blessed.

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I think so, too that most of the plagarism gets flagged or ignored for the most part anyway and I want to focus more on the good stuff and help others and myself with the power of steem

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@flipstar
that is exactly my approach with trying to get as much @steem power to help others, it is amazing how well that works, that sharing and upvoting actually is beneficial to the one giving, as you tend to receive so much more.

i enjoy your post ^^! Thanks.

i my self joined steem it as a spammer, like we were around 200 people, and we thought we will up vote each other to earn some bucks but it did not worked fine,we separated and now i realized that steem it does not work this way. you need to create good content to grab the attention of the whales.it your is worth reading you'll definitely get the attention and reward you always wanted .
Thanks i'm totally agree with your way of thinking that down voting or flagging is not the option to deal with them but muting is .
up voting your content because it is worth reading .
as now i'm here to built relations so i'm also following you .
i also want to add something more.down voting also can go in a way to hurt someone feeling.
so i'm against it .
thanks
Regards .
Abdul Manan

Well I agree. We need more people but this platform should be better than other social media platforms. Good content should be rewarded and spamming should be discouraged.

Lol at the spam comments you've received. Anyway, I hope that you are right and I certainly try to think of things from both sides of the equation. I do think the rewards curve needs an adjustment somehow - holding on to hope that a method for eliminating reward pool rape is found.

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Had to smile myself, when I read the first comments. Hopefully we will find a good solution

Muting is like hiding the problem for yourself, but not solving it for the rest of the platform.

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If everyone muting them it is.

Du hast völlig Recht.
Downvoting ist die Ultima Ratio, das äußerste Mittel!
Bei einem Flaggenkrieg gibt es keinen echten Gewinner!

(Resteem)

i like your posts so much that i always wait for your post and with your post attention podium i thank you very much for sharing such a good post with us

I just used mute, i think it's awesome feature! hasn't tried downvoting though.

Das sehe ich auch so Flaggen ist das letzte Mittel, sehr guter Post wird gleich resteemed :-)

Flagging seems to be a neccesary function to prevent real abuse of the platform, but I don’t understand why anyone wants to use it for anything else. It’s like they’re not comfortable with a positive environment and miss the controversy of Everywhere else. If youcont agree with someone, don’t follow them, if you really don’t like it,mute them. You don’t need to convince everyone of your opinion or try to belittle the opinions of others because you think they shouldn’t earn so much from those opinions.

I don’t believe any post is really worth $1000 usd, but wouldn’t it be nicer to use my vp to reward those who are undervalued, rather than trying to downvote those who are overvalued? You can’t force people to adhere to your way of thinking, you can only be the change you want to see.

I’ve only downvoted once or twice and it was on plagiarism. I’ve only muted one user.

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I am not much of a downvoter myself. And yes, you are right are the posts which should be over 1k$. Some which have a project behind it, maybe.

I am not complaining about the current payout of this post but to be honest I doubt that this is what it should be worth as it is mindblowing high for me.

The mute approach is better.

Lovely article, easily understanding the difference between the 2. Thanks @flipstar

"If someone in our middle misbehaves we put him into prison." That is a lie, and lying is misbehaving.

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so I should go to jail?

Sorry, there are spammers on this platform
And those who give unnecessary expense to Downvote

I thinks down voting should be done by the system its self to avoice people's emotions. Or create abotton called invisible to me where one's things are on visible to an other who they don't like

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I think that would be dangerous and the majority of the downvoting should be made by us, the community, as we decide what should have how much value.

i appreciate your post ^@^! Thanks.

Mute, mute, mute, mute them all the way!! :)

Interesting. You can count with them.

Good reminder, i use mute quite a bit, some things might not be for us, but we don't have to try to ban them from the whole blockchain. Peace

Ich mute auch so einige User und bin sehr froh darüber. Brauch so keinen Streit anfangen und seh die Deppen einfach nicht mehr.

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Ja macht das Leben auf jeden Fall leicher.

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To me, muting is like telling someone to shut up and it really seems like it works whether he really shut up or not haha.

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hahah yes that is true

I'm very impressed with your posts and the number of people who comment... I always feel like my post go un-noticed, but then I see an up-vote from you... I'm not sure how your stumbled upon my post, but it seems I caught your attention... Thanks...

COIN MAN by @pocketechange A Penny will cost a Dollar...

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I like the coin man a lot :-)

I was browsing steemsilvergold

I hope you hang in there it can be frustrating but also very rewarding at least that is my experience

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I feel we've only just begun to see our rewards... ...Thanks...

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Nice post, good idea!!