Proposal: Refund 40K USD to make up for missing funds since 22.8888 - 원숭이도 나무에서 떨어진다

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Dear community,

My name is roelandp. For four years I gave my everything to Steem. I invested most of my time, money, resources into the chain with several projects.

  • SteemFest
  • SteemWallet
  • SteemWhale
  • Proof.ink
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Today I found out I stepped on some toes by no longer supporting this chain with my server resources but continueing on a new blockchain project called Hive.

As a result I got on a dubious list inside a Steem Softfork code called 22.8888 which excludes the right to operate most fund related and governance related activities on the given accounts. Including my own.

I worked for years for getting to the Steem stake were I am right now. I think I am entitled to do whatever I want with my stake. Yet somehow I got blocked.

A sidenote: I got word that some felt insulted by my comment on the Korean response about Hive fork and airdrop exclusions. To set the record straight (this is not because I need your pityness or somehow get removed from your list - because I think you should remove the complete code): it was never my intention to step on any toes and I used Korean Proverbs were actually used in my comment as I tried to bond towards the excluded community and picked some verbs from this site: I thought would relate to the status quo of the exclusion list. Half of those proverbs where literally talking about the "hivers" as that was a swift move (necessary due to immenent centralisation threat of Sun) and not about the Korean community.

Yet i find it very odd that that is a reason to block access to someones funds and I can only guess about the lame excuses for putting other names on the list. With 22.8888 you picked just a couple of accounts, with no reasoning or not very obvious. However you did open a can of worms. Personal accounts and company accounts (exchange Blocktrades) got removed by your execution of softfork22.8888 and you seriously risk exchange delistings if you ask me.

Personally we will manage, yet we kind of were counting on the Steem Funds, especially since other income dried up thanks to Covid and my gf got fired. So I hope you will all support my proposal to fund my personal losses amounting to 40K USD, especially you @dev365 !!! xoxoxoxox love you long time.

This proposal will be used to make up my losses of your softfork 22.8888 which prohibits my funds from being transferred or managed by my own keys. Understand that this is a different case then a temporarily fork we implemented back in the day for securing the Steemit Inc socially bound stake. This is my personal stake and the personal and company ownerships of various other parties involved. If you ask me, this move is risking exchange delistings.

It will be 100 days of 400 SBD payouts, starting today. I will use the steemfest account to receive the monies, because you blocked my own personal account.

This is not a proposal to appeal my inclusion in the 22.8888 hive_accounts-block-list. I recommend you remove all people in the list at once and publicly apologise your actions to keep any sanity. 누워서 떡 먹기

everyone can make a mistake. You made a big one.

Vote for my proposal @dev365

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All SPS proposals are actively blocked by dev365 votes on gtg blocker proposal.

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Then I hope dev365 will vote my proposal!

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I wanna see the day that happens. Sun doing something good.

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Then I hope dev365 will vote my proposal!

It is a sad day when those that built the chain and the community get treated this way. You and the other in that list have done more for the Steem Blockchain than Justin Sun, @elipowell or any of the others at SteemitInc could ever dream of. It seems their intent is to continue to run this blockchain into the ground and ruin its reputation.

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I lose 140 000 Hive from airdrop? Where is this real money now?

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How can you lose something you never had? Boo boo, pick up your soother baby boy

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fine than why is roelandp crying hes got the same problem from the other side ;)

Think about what you are writing!

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the few real people that follow tron are basically braindead.

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Guess not, nice try!

So what´s if this is his money, why my money in my company account is a other way to look on, another way to handle it, are the old witness(es) is a better steemian than the guy who is bringing life to the chain which could not live without the content coming in from the Blog writers like me, remember one needs the work of the other without the other nothing will work out.

That´s the meaning of the word community.

So tell me why he´s the guy who can claim injustice for his side, if I´m not able todo so, not talking about the bitter gift you all bring to the steemit community.

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Your comment makes no sense

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Oh yes it make sense, nothing has only one side, evrithing has two sides in real life and in crypto !

There is no difference in me and him, or some other guys with frozen or captured account balances!

All is coming out of the original-chain Steemit its just a copy on the first day, not more and not less, just a copy!

But I see that many of the HIVE folks is not willing to accept this, anyway that doesn´t change the facts and what is true.

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Did you have Steem before Hive was created?

Yes.

Did you have Steem after Hive was created?

Yes.

Did you have Hive before it was created?

No.

Did you have Hive after it was created?

No.

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stupid game !

...and what about you ? Did you?

Nothing on HIVE would be there without Steemit, that´s the point Guy´s otherwise you all started will a zero ballance over there ;)

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You didn’t lose anything. I am sure you were excluded and for good reason. You are dumb.

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No, he is a product of the society that he was brought up in. The entire former eastern block is full of idiots who can't see past the tree line and those few that can are far and few b/n. Hence why I cherish anyone from a commie or former commie community and who has seen the light of day.

In his mind a totalitarian leader and totalitarian methods are absolutely "normal".

It is no wonder the idiots fail at everything they attempt.

One has to respect people such as the young lady in this video:

as for those who refuse to accept the truth about themselves, well, all they can do is keep up the death toll that their mentality has given humanity.

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LOL! Apply cold water, someone got burnt

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wow - so if people don't give you free stuff, then you're justified in attacking them? I'd say your a shitty person, but I blame the parents. I'm sorry nobody has cared enough about you to teach you decency

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wow - so if people don't give you free stuff, then you're justified in attacking them?

Technically someone steal his money, because he's money exists, but not in his account

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It's not his money. How is it his? Can I decide that your money is mine and act cruelly because you won't give it to me? Feelings aren't facts. Not being given something is not the same as having something taken away
These dishonest words and actions aren't corrected with delusion

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Okay, but who gives the money then? The answer is no one. Nobody on Hive gave you the money. Hive was a 1:1 copy to Steem, so you had Hive, just like you had Steem.

And these people had their money, until they disappeared from their accounts and went to another account.

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If the stake used to attack the chain wasn't addressed, then the attack would continue. As Dan Larimer, the designer and creator said, we are supposed to remove the tokens of people that attack the chain. Attack means a single entity controlling multiple witness positions. The instructions of the creator were followed. Ignorance isn't justification. Replace ignorance with learning, not with ill treatment of others

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First, Dan Larimer is an idiot.
Second, looking from the blockchain side, it was a steal
Thirdly, the whole HIVE project is quite controversial, because it means that you can manipulate the blockchain.

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Incorrect. Hive was almost a 1:1 copy of Steem. But not completely. It excluded 350 accounts out of 1.3 million.

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Universe truth : Every action has reaction. It may be late but not forgotton.
Hivemanis started action, steemians do reaction.
See from starting day 1 of drama, always action started by hivemians and reaction done by steemians. Hivemians also don't wants reaction. That's not fair.
I think we all have over and all loss by this drama. When this drama will end. I dont know....... but i don't like all this.
I am not happy with this action but i have to support.
See from deep heart( take deep breath, stay cam then think), you will know all.
Without community, No invester get success and without invester, no community get success. Both required each other.

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Your support to steem from starting not forgoten in any manner. You are the good and technical person. We can't forget your contribution. You are awesome. Thanks for all.

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That's so not right. Everything from my hive wallet was transferred to Steem.dao. so it got stolen. And for good. This money of yours is a soft fork that can be taken back. My stolen money on hive is gone for good.

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Not giving you an airdrop and taking away your money are two different things.

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But some people are just too stupid to understand this, lol

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Are you seriously this fucking stupid? You own Steem. Hive doesn't owe you shit. You aren't entitled to shit. You are shit.

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Why did you lose 140 000 Hive? Do you invest in Hive prior to the Hardfork? What makes you entitled to receive the airdrop? Why do feel anyone in Hive is obliged to give you that 140 000 Hive? Who are you to dictate where the airdrop should be "dropped"?

If you can answer those questions in a clear, concise, and logical manner, I will give all my Hive to you.

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You can’t loose something you didn’t have.

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Can you get a fork from something that doesn't exist?

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The fork was on an existing chain, but the STEEM token got suppressed, HIVE got created and distributed. Some people received the new HIVE tokens in same amount as the STEEM they had. Those who didn't receive the new HIVE tokens still got their STEEM tokens that remains on the other chain, so nothing was stolen from them, they just didn't get extra tokens.

This is similar to creating a brand new chain and importing old accounts and posts without the old tokens and distributing new tokens.

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real hard fork gives everyone tokens, Steem investors and users have more rights than stock market users because they have invested time and money. No one will escape their karma.

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Can we really believe this was purely a witness action when Steemit unvoted those who did not adopt the change? Very suspicious and highly unethical. Just because something similar was done to Steemit does not make it right. I expect blocktrades are talking to their lawyers.

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I appreciate all the work that you have done for this blockchain and am truly sad to see you part ways like this.

But how is 22.888 different than the selective airdrop done by hive? In fact i think hive blocked even more accounts than what the steem witnesses have done.

Until the hive witnesses agree that its essentially the same thing (and please throw out the straw man on decentralization. I dont see how its any different for both sides), i dont think theres anything that can be done here.

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It’s different. Hive is a new coin and was given as reward to those who didn’t support centralisation. 22.8888 is rejecting access to existing coins already owned by the victims. 22.8888 is like locking your bank account from money you used to own.