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It's not 6%, that's off by a decimal place @berniesanders. (Real value is 0.6%) Not sure why steem.supply displays it as such, but if you check another service, such as steemworld.org, you will see the correct value, which is 0.6% (of course, that is still a rather large chunk! I'm a stickler for details, though :P)

Edit: I just did ran the "Coming Author Rewards" feature on Steemworld for @haejin, and it calculated it at 1% of the rewards pool. (As I stated, this is still quite large!)

Note: this comment is meant to be neutral and focus on getting the facts straight. I support each stakeholder's right to vote as they see fit. I am intrigued by this mysterious whale @ranchorelaxo that has appeared seemingly out of nowhere as well. Has anyone investigated this in detail?

Upvoting this comment for visibility and to counter the hysteria caused by the erroneous 6% figure.

I do want to also mention that I have been reading @haejin's blog since he was making only $5 a post before he went viral, and more importantly, watching his videos which is where the most substantial aspect of his added value to the Steemit/cryptocurrency community comes in. Though the posts are quite brief and could be construed to be somewhat vague (as lampooned by @netuoso) the videos are often up to 30 minutes and go into great detail on Eliot wave analysis and chart pattern recognition (something he has been practicing for over 15 years.) He has a lot of YouTube followers and they make Steemit accounts just to comment on his analysis, which is partly why he has so many followers on Steemit.

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I am aware that some believe that technical analysis is total bunk, and not surprisingly, they are generally the ones who are not themselves trained in the art. As plenty of others have stated, part of @haejin's recent success is due to the fact that he has correctly anticipated quite a few movements in cryptocurrencies, which has caused many of his followers to become rather wealthy. Therefore, the firepower to upvote him increases more rapidly than other bloggers.

Again, I support anyone's right to upvote as well as downvote as they see fit, but I just wanted to weigh in from the perspective of someone who has benefited in the past from his tutorials, general knowledge, and more specific recommendations. I also wanted to make sure that the correct figure for the potential rewards was displayed, as it is currently inaccurate on steem.supply.

I want to also mention that I respect your approach to correcting the rewards pool distribution because I know there is zero financial incentive to do so. You and @transisto are some of the few that seem willing to counter abuse by sacrificing monetary gain and I appreciate that. I admired the transparency when you were posting on @yougotflagged as well.

My apologies for this mini-essay and the self-voting, but I want to further the discussion here. Trying to see both sides to the best of my ability. Peace.

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I am intrigued by this mysterious whale @ranchorelaxo that has appeared seemingly out of nowhere as well. Has anyone investigated this in detail?

I'm sure someone has already answered this, but this is what I gather from my own investigation.

-rancho showed up here about 10 months ago and laid mostly dormant.
-7 months ago started buying massive amounts of steem
-@ned reached out to him around this time asking him to "ping" him on steemit.chat
-2 months later, @theprophet0 reached out again asking him to ping him on Steemit.chat
-15 days ago, he started upvoting @haejin's posts eventually to the tune of 10,775.09
-he also upvoted himself 3 times for like $1000.
-he also upvoted one other person for $10.
-Note the numbers above changed during my analysis (going lower) I'm not sur if that was due to downvotes or changes in the price of steem. I was using steemit more info chrome plugin for the data.
-@haejin reached out to rancho when the upvotes started with the following: "I am very grateful for your upVote! Thank You! If you'd like a crypto analyzed, please don't hesitate to let me know!"
-@Ranchorelaxo has no other interactions that I saw other than a single comment ("great post") on a post that he didn't upvote.

Other findings
-@haejin's content seems legit
-he was very successful and had many followers long before rancho came around
-many of his supporters seem to have came here for him or because of him
-many of his supporters have no idea who rancho is (or that he was giving haejin 11k in upvote) and think this campaign is about his success due to their upvotes.
-@haejin doesn't seem to mention @ranchorelaxo by name to his followers.

That last one may not be true, but I haven't seen it...but he has a lot of posts and I haven't gone through all of them. I'm upvoting this for visibility. Please don't downvote me. If I got something wrong, I'll change it, but this is my account from what I have seen so far and according to my notes and recollection, but I am tired as fuck. So I may have gotten something wrong.

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So this is telling: @berniesanders read my comment, as well as the comment above. And, instead of clarifying the situation, he simply flagged it down. I don't need to know more on this.

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I also support you,a fair comment!!!

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@berniesanders is profiting from attacking other people. Every comment he makes he gets money. Every post now that he makes, he makes insane amounts of money. $1,000???? His other posts get nowhere near that! He is just trying to profit. He also has the same few people following him around upvoting every comment. And then he downvotes everything someone says about him and his same 50-60 upvoters then come and downvote you. I’m not saying haejin deserves all of his rewards, but at least he is providing us with something useful while Bernie simply profits off of attacking haejin and everyone else who opposes Ernie. Watch, i will probably be downvoted by his group. @haejin provides us with analysis that has earned us money. He teaches us about the technical analysis. He allows for us to comment with our own analysis and he will help us improve it to be more accurate. He does 1-on-1 lessons. What does @berniesanders do? Not as much as @haejin in terms of providing useful content.

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waht goes around comes around, If Steemit had moderators it would be Bernie that would be barred. And all his steem power taken off him, that may be the pay back...lol

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haejin does a good job, i've recommended him to many friends.

he's just doing what steemit community is supposed to do:
providing good content.

while others are cheating with bots and stuff...
i hope hate speech wont become the new trend here.

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thank you! this BernieSanders and his gang of flaggers have been profiting by promoting censorship and suppression of free will on the blockchain, we must all unite against them so they do not get away with it

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Nice comment : )

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thank you, I am glad I was not the only one noticing this pattern

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This comment should be higher up.

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He using techniques like ------ as I don't know the theory name but I will explain the theory in a brief manner. Now here it goes. It works great when you already have lots of followers. Suppose you have 5000 followers, you said half of them that market is going to go down and another half the vice versa. Now you got nothing loose. Now suppose the market falls down, so the 50% followers says he was right and remaining another half you repeat this loop . In between this new followers will be added as word of mouth etc. And he made them join the loop. So this is going to be run infinite times. Till it exhausted.

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Uh... Only he can't split the message like that... He's publicly and veritably either right or wrong. What you describe is an age old scam, and is 100% not what Haejin does.

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slapbox@ I should I have similar instead of like. People who earn money like that never show their true face to the public. And I don't know Haejin personally neither did you. So please don't reply to this post.

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If I write technical analysis i treat it like weather report. It must hold to great extend. Better is your prediction and more constant, better are your skills. I'm still minnow and I have to enforce myself but I always encourage my readers to check my previous analyses to check that they holds.

Try and check here, I be glad to hear your opinion and comments.

@haejin had established itself here on steemit also. He have knowledge and I respect that most. What he had done whit his earnings is not a nice theme to comment. I always recommending minding your own businesses.

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What he was doing is simply a form of esoteric nonsense applied to crypto currency. Very much like to astrological card readings, overrated garbage! I am a new comer and I can pretty much predict the outcome of any coins by way of analyzing its white paper, the people involved, PR, history, and proof of concepts.

It does not take a genius to understand this business. Nothing rocket science FYI. Buy when it's green, sell when it's red. But you need plenty of money to do that, simple as that.

That guy is the equivalent of Deepak Chopra in cryptocurrency. Spouting pseudoscientific nonsense by using obfuscated language just to sound scientific. People beware: religion has infiltrated into the cryptocurrency realm and the unwitting readers can easily fall prey.

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If you agree that psychology isn't completely random and/or agree that self-fulfilling prophecy, by way of a sufficient volume of people basing their investment decisions on a similar belief (in this case: price pattern or "signal"), is something that can, and sometimes does happen, then you can't completely reject the claim that there is real value in analyzing chart patterns.

Hardly anything in this world is black or white, as much as the purely rational minded would prefer it not to be so. Regarding empirical based knowledge, at best, we can rate things (hypothesis or what-have-you) along a "spectrum of proof" and nothing has ever, or will ever, hit either extreme (if only because we can't prove that we even exist in the first place).

You're painting technical analysis (TA) as if it's pure black (provably bogus), but, statistically speaking, there ARE relatively strong correlations within the practice of TA that demonstrate statistical significance in predicting future price performance (compared to randomly assigning a guess as to whether price will move up or down), so, if anything, it's more on the white side of the spectrum, if not high up that spectrum.

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If you haven't read @netuoso version of technical analysis yet, you should check it out now. It's the most solid interpretation I have read in years. You can find it HERE.

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i often check heajin posts and astrology charts.

both are accurate.

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Nah, those are nothing. Check out this new analysis. I will create my own analysis too in the next few days. Watch me I'm gonna use Quantum Entanglement in predicting the charts. Yeah, many charts going to the moon.

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It's clear to me that you're either biased or ignorant on this topic.

At first glance, TA might look like a lot of attempts at practicing voodoo on price or simply letting one's own inner child out to play around with crayons on a price chart, but I assure you there's ample data to prove to a high degree of certainty (as the sample pool is rather large at this point in time) that it's not all bogus.

There are favorable odds attached to trading certain re-occurring patterns within the markets (eg "ascending triangles", "falling wedges", etc), when using their traditional trading rules. They only work out to somewhere between 55 and 60% favorable, but that is actually quite significant when compared to simply tossing a coin and choosing whether to take a trade or not based on the outcome.

Theories as to why these patterns play out? They're abound. It seems reasonable to me that human psychology isn't completely random. Assuming that's true, humans can't react randomly to price -- there should be at least a little bit of predictability in how each individual and, therefore, the market, reacts to any given set of circumstances. If that's true, then real patterns will play out based on their reactions. That's what we see when we analyze price charts.

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Yep, you know I've been masturbating on this stuff daily using many porn charts. And I found out that Steem price will either go up or go down. That's for sure!

What model you use in pre-dick-ting the market? Personally I am using the Entanglement and Quantum Superposition at the Edge of Time to predict market ejaculation. I already made 6 figures and tons of loyal followers using my G-Spot technique.

It's proven by science you know, this is technically mathematical because everything is already written in the Tesseract at the 5th dimension.

OK buy me some beers my BTC wallet bellow, cheers!

17nDpPrmYgvZug8hMZoYx6c8VVSmQ2mkQu

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You're a funny guy @introvertspeaks, but you're a lousy troll ;)

I guess it comes down to one simple concept here: you have one opinion, I another.

Best of luck to you.

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Lol, thanx for the beer. Cheers!

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Interesting opinion thanks. It was fair. I can see that complaining on a new whale will cause monetary gain as well. hmmmm still worth reading

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the things you do for money...

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But can't we downvote, ignore, mute, unfollow and report as spam to proactively deal with this issue?

I'm new to Steem and made my #introduceyourself only a few hours ago as my first post. Was surprised to see a few people commenting, following and request that I follow and upvote them back. Have a look at their profiles and it's a mish-mash of spam, apparent botnetting and other such dubious practices.

As i'm so new, i'd love to see a guide as to how we can all proactively quash such practices using whatever processes we have at our disposal on this platform.

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oh my gut

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Agreed

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I am a grateful newbie, and would greatly appreciate any guidance on how I may better be an effective curator, on this marvelous platform.

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Best thing to do is not get caught up in this drama. The developers and witnesses will get things figured out about how to get this place running optimally, eventually. Keep your head down till then.

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a good advice to newbies

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Best advice I've seen 😬

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@haejin is so popular because he provides FREE cryptocurrency analysis and training to everyone in the community. He absolutely deserves all the upvotes that he gets! He gets 6% based on merit and based on providing content that the community finds valuable! This is exactly what blockchain and decentralization is about - WE the users decide what we find valuable and those are the ones that rise. Keep up the amazing work @haejin and don't let bullies deter you!

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This post got a thousand dollars. great content apparently...

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really glad to read your explanation on this issue. Thanks.

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what's wrong if the person work hard and deserved what he earn, isn't steemit about that ? anyone can take the place of this guy or can earn much better if he do his best, why a lot of people are angry about that, keep calm, work hard, post everyday, record good video and share them and you will be like him or even better.

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It is nothing about "we" and all about "you". The art of dealing with comments on your blog is a personal decision you do not make "once for all". It is up to your mood, your generosity to overlook bad behavior or to try to correct it. If you are having a good flow, get nice and supportive or in a good way challenging comments than some spamming comments won't bother you. If you for some reason are disturbed you'll react on how you feel in that second. In my view there is no "general treatment" but only a reaction you want yourself to be visible (or not).

Sometimes you care, sometimes not. If you would bind yourself to a certain strict way of dealing you'll lose easiness. That is how I see it.

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What @haejin does by looking at charts to predict prices is called 'chartism' and it's not without its criticisms with some experts calling it 'a form of financial astrology'. Chartism is guided by the philosophy of "history repeats itself" which is never a safe bet in mature markets. Most all crypto currency has gone up and almost anyone invested has made money whether they follow @haejin advice or not.

Maybe @haejin doesn't deserve so many followers because we think he has low-quality posts but he seems to be going about his posting honestly. Hopefully any changes to Steemit would encourage higher quality posts more than punishing lower quality posts.

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I am agreed it is really appreciable

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Nice write-up and also a nifty steemworld.org link there. I'm off fiddling with it for a while now :P

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Thanks - this comment helped me understand the rage going on between these two and their followers!

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I totally agree with you, this all sounds ignorant..if 1 source says 1 thing and another says the opposite, then forsure there is something wrong here.

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Do you have a link to steemworld?
I'd like to see that tool.

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Bernie, flag this shit from russian propagandist called as clarityofsignal!

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I appreciate you trying to see both sides. Do you mind correcting your incorrect statement which says “ zero financial incentive to do so”?

If you look at his post he makes a lot of money through up votes by slandering other people and attacking them.

I hope you correct that statement because there are many new users who may believe you. 🤗

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You have collected your daily Power Ups! Your posts received total upvotes worth of 13.37$.
Learn how to power up smart here!

I find it extremely interesting the people trying to defend haejin on this post. I am wondering how many of them are the bot army that Haejin has created.

Will look into this more after work when I can actually spend time on it.

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😂😂😂😂

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I clicked a few profiles and must admit I happened on a few that seemed eerily empty.

Feel free to investigate my profile though! Maybe you'll like what you see and I'll gain a follower out of you 😉

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Haejin brought a bunch of people to steemit who followed him on youtube and twitter. They are new and mostly here to follow him. There is nothing wrong with that.

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I looked you up when I originally posted on your first comment. I am pretty positive, (from a glance), that you are a legitimate user. steemdb.com can help figure that out though by votes and who votes you and such.

With these issues, it seems as if we need some sort of tool that connect accounts to each other and almost create webs of connections.
A. Would be interesting to see from a community standpoint.

B. Would make finding his shill accounts easier.

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I know there's a bunch of decentralized AI projects going on. I've always wondered what specifically they could be used for.. but maybe those projects are capable of scanning the entire blockchain and finding correlations? It's all beyond my comprehension, but maybe you or other smart people can figure it out.

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How do you know what "we" all need?

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I literally signed up on steemit so that i could upvote haejin. If u read his comments section. There are at least 5 people every post of haejins saying they did the same thing. I joined steemit from his twitter, didnt need steemit account wotsoeva

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You have taken quite a time to call names and claim people are bots. Just go to google trends and check "haejin" or "Haejin Steemit". Why is it so hard for you to understand that there are tons of people that are flocking here from twitter and youtube just to follow his posts. And some of those people will become a functional and contributing member of this ecosystem, which will help all of you guys. Personally I have been indecisive about buying steem and being a permanent participant. At the end, thanks to the relentless nonsense I have seen here in the couple of days I hated this obnoxious atmosphere and have lost all interest.

He picks random coins and says they will go up hundreds or percent. All of them have the same growth prediction pattern and no research is done on any of the development of the coins. If you look at his success rate for predictions, you'll see it's way less than 50% meaning anybody could have done the same guessing and came up with similar results for predictions.

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You are right. It is rubbish.
But the fact is that there are many many MANY other that basically do the same.
I've seen users getting daily $100+ rewards for literaly saying the price of couple of coins every few hours.
No added value.
But then again, maybe that's just it. People are stupid we vote stupid things.
After all, most traffic on the Internet is not society-changing whitepapers about crypto, but rather cat videos and porn.
Meet humanity.

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But what would we do if there was no porn or cat videos?

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Just stop following these people.... if you want to get suckered into this garbage then be my guest.
But i agree. Better no garbage....

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I feel the subject matter here shouldn't be attacked. He is doing what he knows how to do Best. Anyone could as well so the same !! it's so fine, what he he has been doing only catches the interest of a lot of people that is why he gets the upvotes.

He is filling up a Gap, many would snub any day.

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To be fair, if you made literally any position in any coin in the crypto market the past months, you would have made money. While I appreciate @Haejin's work, it doesn't take knowledge in TA to succeed in crypto - whether that's a good or bad thing.

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You are quite right, I would have made money either way, I would have made less on my own though, of that I have no doubt whatsoever.

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If you work out the actual math, find out if your investments did better than you would have by buying in at the same dollar amount in all cryptos and waiting. I promise you, that method has never been beaten in the long run and the advisor you're listening to is only trying to boost his own personal investment - the one before your own. He's using you.

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I am absolutely certain, it's not just a case of "oh @haejin says this coin will go up" and I bought it, I think I've done that once. I held when I otherwise would have sold, and I sold and moved positions into different coins on more than one occasion. Is it just that he influenced me to not be dumb? Maybe but nonetheless the information was valuable to me.

That is a bit beside the point in the context of my original response though. If it's so easy to make money in this market, how can his hit rate possibly be less than 50%? That truly would require skill. @ponts won't provide that data because it doesn't exist.

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Here, (https://www.investopedia.com/university/advancedwave/) go educate yourself about the method he claims he have 15+ years of experience.

BTW, the best analyst on the financial market ever existed only had 68% of accuracy.
Make sure to read through all of it, and make your own conclusions.

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I have no interest in debating the quality or wisdom of my own due diligence. I have made money as a direct result of advice from @haejin now you can choose to assume I am lying or that it was just a happy coincidence, I don't really care.

Look back over this thread, someone claimed that @haejin is right less than 50% of the time. That was the comment I responded to and a moron could see that is false. In fact as I have said elsewhere, right now in this market claiming that X or Y coin will rise in price and being wrong more than 50% of the time would require true skill.

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you are right taking.........also right....................
l support you.............

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I couldn't agree more, I actually just wrote a post about this exact idea - Crypto is working for everyone in it (for the most part), what's stopping other people from joining? How can we improve crypto literacy?

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With a fast rise in the value of bitcoin, i think many people have got attracted towards it. Since bitcoin value increased from 100$ a few years ago to some where around 20000$ right now, I think many people are hoping the same with other currencies as well. Thus are buying anything that is cheap. This in return giving success to every crypto currency even if it was dead for a long time.

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Do you want someone to hold your hand and walk you through his posts!? Literally anyone can look at his blog and come to the same conclusions. I'm not saying that the coins he picked haven't gone up in value. I'm saying that his predictions are purely made up, and that he is wrong more than half the time.

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It's not me that needs the hand holding, I read almost all of his posts and watch the videos, and have done so for quite some time.

Again do you have data to back your 50% claim? Saying it more than once doesn't add credibility.

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what thanks.

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This is absolutely not true. It is very easy to check how many times he has picked the coins that go up the most. I think only a blind man will deny Haejin's skills, but whatever. I choose to follow him, you don't and that's fine. I only can't understand the reason for jealous posts like the one from berniesanders - nobody forced me or any of the Haejin's followers to upvote him - we are just being thankful for what he does.

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Absolutely.. He is taking steps a whole lot of people out there won't find a substantial reason taking.

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Crypto literacy will improve exponentially as people lose money. Literacy will happen through experience.

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Thanks for the information. I was looking into his stuff and couldn't really wrap my head around it. That said, a few people seemed to have made tons of money using his methods.

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He uses, elliott wave. It's a bit complicated but it's a great way to analyse stocks or crypto's. I use it too. But he does it with random coins...

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it's a great way to analyse stocks or crypto's

Please, educate yourself a bit here (https://www.investopedia.com/university/advancedwave/)

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I don't care if he was using Baltazar crap what I don't like is he was raping the reward pool as if there was no tomorrow. I can do my own crypto card reading as well if we get to that point.

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Yes most people who learned how this thing work are cashing out by the second!

TIAB

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Its so frustrating. I joined steemit as a photographer with the hope that quality content might rise to the top. I guess all platforms are subject to abuse but it does make it frustrating.

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Sounds like the typical trader. Not being able to outperform the market or in this case Bitcoin.

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oh my gut

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Let me drop my comment here - so it'll have the chance of getting a wider reach.



I'm neutral right here and I'm not supporting anybody, but lemme just speak my mind.


For me, anytime I see a post calling for the Flagging of another person's post, it just speaks:

Centralization

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Censorship

to me, which I tought we were all against.

It's my opinion tho.


Peace

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Can you just imagine if Conor McGregor signs up for a Steem account and up-vote every trash talk he can think of? Well, this is just the beginning. The algorithm is literally broke! A new way of distributing the reward is a must, else Steem is doomed.

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Can you come up with an example or suggestion of how steem's algorithm can be improved?

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I have been screaming this before from day one of my on-boarding here and I have to scream this again: The voting power of a whale is too much! Can we not just minimize its devastating influence for the betterment of humanity on Steem?

There is a reason why the US electoral process is utilizing what they call Electoral Votes per State.

But anyway, this is just a wishful thinking. Nobody's even listening to @berniesanders scream how much more to an unknown minnow just like me.

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Well, i thought that has been address with hardfork 19? Vote power has been exponential before this but now it's linear. That's the fairest configuration available.. otherwise whales are not incentivised to keep their steem in steem power. that wouldnt be good to steem.

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Well, if that is the case I would just wait until those spoiled brat ultra rich kiddos who are sons of oligarchs, owning the majority of Arab oils, who are driving various models of Lamborghini going to night clubs, finally discover Steem and reap all of the reward pool in a matter of seconds. I'm done! Next block chain please.

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Major fundamental issues with how rewards are managed on steemit.com. Fatal flaw in the design of the system, leads to whale wars and flagging wars and ....

will ultimately be a limiting factor on the price of STEEM.

Take your investment money elsewhere.

Play around on the forums if you find content you find interesting

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JAJAJAAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA

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Most of his coins that he uses for his blog are community request. Someone ask for TA on the coin and he obliges. Not his fault some people are in coins that are perceived as shit coins. He is obliging what is asked of him. The coins that, if you read majority of his blogs, he believes in are excelling greatly and are of a 90% success rate.

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For anyone to make any contributions it's worth whatever those voting says it's worth. Isn't that the whole essence of decentralization.
People voted his contents and Bots so i do not see any reason to castigate the man. We do so many thing for different reasons, most times for same reasons but our approach differ hence the variety of life.

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I agree with you

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This is an interesting community here, i realized that reading this post. As it is very clear that, where there is politics there is good reading and laughter. This is my first ever comment by the way, had to start somewhere. Looking forward meeting many of you.

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@ponts To me it doesn't even matter whether his predictions are right and precise or not. This is not even the point. We need to underline the need for limits to be put in place in order to prevent a single user from being able to gather such a large percentage of the rewards pool. If a single user is allowed to gather that much power, what happens when they decide to cash out one day?
Right.

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Who decides on the limits? How does that work when 98% of STEEM is owned by less than 1% of the accounts.

STEEM is much like Venezuela. If you are part of the in crowd you can do OK, if you are not in favor of the "current government", you are going to get steemrolled.

Sorry for the mixed metaphor.

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Indeed. I love the idea of steem but the ninja mine may have doomed it from the start.

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Yes, but i think you are addressing the wrong point here.
The problem is not his content. Shit authors will always have his followers (Twilight anyone?), but the issue here is the system abuse. Check the first bernie post about this, and some facts posted there.

I've been one of the earliest followers of @haejin and while his formatting and style can definitely be improved I did enjoy some of his chart readings.

He has been consistently posting at this speed for a long time, even when he was making mere cents per post. I can see some increased posting from him due to enthusiasm (who wouldn't when suddenly you do start earning a lot) but overall I wouldn't say his posting behaviour has changed all that much.

I kind of think that there was a tipping point where he started to gain some more wealthy followers that started to auto-upvote. Once you breach $10 consistently.. well, you know everybody else is going to pile up in order to get curation earnings. It's the same reason why posting today's price of Steem and SBD every day can earn some people a lot of money.

I personally don't think @haejin is abusing the system, but rather got lucky through organic growth and the way Steem(it) is set up.

I can't say I agree with the hundreds of dollars a day earnings either to be honest, but I don't know if @haejin is to blame for this or his followers (or indeed STEEM/Steemit).

I do think posting 10x a day could easily be combined and compiled into 2-3 posts a day with more substance, though. Because indeed, when the amounts get so high that it becomes 6% of the reward pool... from an ethical and long term Steem outlook that doesn't seem like a good thing.

Anyway, just giving my opinion as a more-or-less-outsider looking in. I would sooner blame the system in this case rather than @haejin specifically. I feel actively downvoting/flagging his posts may not be an ethically sound solution in this case either. But, who am I to talk? This is the Steem wild west...

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@Haejin is 100% responsible for this. When you look through his comments on his posts, he consistently has specific users ONLY post on his posts. His posts have no information in them other than just some quick pictures. (His fake accounts all have posts that are similar, just a quick picture of the graph.)

Why would users come to Steemit and make an account, and then give like 50% of their votes specifically to Haejin and Haejin only.

There was also a ton of brand new accounts that were made that were trying to support haejin and that is the only activity they had, ONLY posted on Haejin and upvoted Haejin.

There is a list of probably close to 30 that have been found for sure, and there are a lot more I am sure. It is almost as if Haejin created an ecosystem to himself and is trying to add votes and fake comments to make his post look more legitimate.

90% of his funds come from ONE user who has never voted for anyone except Haejin. Is some secret whale that existed and has gotten 1.2 Million Steem from Bittrex.

I believe that whoever this whale is, created an ecosystem of his own army of accounts to upvote his own stuff and steal from the reward pool.

There is no way someone other than Haejin created tons of accounts to support Haejin and Haejin only. All the comments are very obvious to, they sit their and praise him like hes a god, or compliment him all the time on the amazing posts. AND, he uses these fake accounts to respond to posts on his posts, to make it seem like his following is a lot bigger and more real than it actually is.

You will also see that the upvotes on these fake accounts usually have a higher reward than the other people who comment on his post.

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Very mature, kiddo :-) Easier to downvote than to answer. Loving bernie's followers more each day :-)

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Please see the below comment where I responded to you.

Ignorant you are.

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Please, without emotions, try to step back for a while and read what You wrote again, especially this fragment:

"Why would users come to Steemit and make an account, and then give like 50% of their votes specifically to Haejin and Haejin only.

There was also a ton of brand new accounts that were made that were trying to support haejin and that is the only activity they had, ONLY posted on Haejin and upvoted Haejin."

If You're fixed on ill-intent, answer is easy, but when You open Your head, I'm sure there is another answer for why people may be doing that.

I'm one of them. As far as I know I'm not Asian, so it's hard for me to believe I'm Haejin's clone - and I'm reading about it second day.

If You have a mind set for a scam, You'll find a scam everywhere, I assure You.

You're right in one thing and I see it too. Most of comments in Haejin's posts are praise, no additional value, simply praise. Sometimes I think it may make him feel uncomfortable.

But the quality of predictions he's doing and most imporantly, the way he's giving this information, is nothing short of unique.

You all focus on shorter posts which are 95% of cases quick analysis of coins requested by followers.

Try and spend 10-30 minutes and watch a few of his videos. Maybe, just maybe You'll find out what I'm talking about.

Trash content for You, a really unique content for haejin's followers who, just like me, screened dozens of analysts and found absolutely no one as brilliant and first of all, effective.

My case is - because of really bad trading I was around -50% of my initial investment and I broke the 1st most important rule which is "never invest more than You can lose". I invested significant portion of my life savings.

Thanks to Haejin, not only his recommendations, but also his trading ethics, I'm way above the initial investment.

It's easy to say each analyst can do it during up market. But I went from -50% to +20% not in the last month, but before, when the market was shaky to say the least.

I know myself and I'm sure that without his guidance, I'll be like -75% now and biting my nails.

There are more people like me. Try, just try to believe this kind of success attract people en masse.

Why is it suspicious that I and many others are only active in his posts. Quite frankly, I like the idea of steemit, but after some initial browsing a few months back, I don't like it enough to be using it for anything else than following Haejin.

You guys all start from the point "it's impossible someone is so popular naturally". If it's the baseline of Your thinking, You can land with only one conclusion. Problem is, this conclusion is quite hurtful for honest people following Haejin.

And before You ask why my rating is so low - I defended Haejin in initial "call to arms" post in here. I guess disagreeing with Bernie's soldiers is enough reason to rape someone's account.

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Dude, you are another shill account that ONLY posts on Haejin. GTFO. NOBODY only posts on one person or only follows ONE person. Seriously, This is disgusting and ridiculous. Give up, you are found out and your bullshit excuses aren't going to change anyone's mind.

You are the reason, if it happens, that Steem won't make it. People abusing the platform and hiding behind fake shill accounts.

ANYBODY who uses this platform will follow multiple people. For curation rewards, to get people to follow them, to be interested in OTHER things than just the crap that one person posts. How on earth are YOU a person that only likes to watch the shit posts that have no information in them other than a picture of a graph that you can see if you go to coinmarketcap.com or ANY exchange. Blow Me @haejin.

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No words. Just sad. Bunch of acid spitting monkeys creating brave new world. What a beautiful world it'll be, filled with self-righteous all-knowing sheriffs like You.

And yeah - go trade based on predictions from coinmarketcap lol :-)

Have a good day and try to see at least one postitive thing around You. Cheers.

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Disagreed.

Rather than laying into your reasoning I shall instead ask you a few simple questions.

  • Do you believe that individuals who use Steemit have a right to hold an exclusive interest in cryptocurrency-related news?

  • Do you believe that individuals who gain helpful cryptocurrency signals should be demonized for rewarding individuals who provide such?

  • Do you believe that individuals have a right to place their faith in a single individual if they so choose?

  • Do you believe that users can retain a right to their privacy without being persecuted for witch-trial-grade accusations?

Lastly - let us presume that such accusations somehow turn out to be anything other than unfounded.

What is the logical foundation of the claim that such accounts who vote for the self would actually be raping the pool?

Lets try a simple mental exercise.

You have 1,000 Steem. You get to choose between up-voting yourself with the full 1,000 Steem Power - or you could choose to create 10 accounts to which you distribute 500 Steem and have both yourself and those accounts up-vote you.

The only issue I see is that these new accounts would upvote with a power including that delegated by the Steemit blockchain. Such would result in around a 20% increase - potentially a lot greater if 100 or 1000 accounts were created.

Such is a flaw in the Steemit design - and any 'proven' instance of such is not to be condoned.

Key word - 'proven'.

An example of legitimate proof would entail drawing information from the STEEM blockchain indicating up-vote patterns (like trails).

Instead we have been given capslock...

Do you see why I have an issue with this flavour of pseudo-policing?

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An example of legitimate proof would entail drawing information from the STEEM blockchain indicating up-vote patterns (like trails).

This is something I have been doing and kind of explain in this comment.

But for instance, you have absolutely no self votes and have barely upvoted Haejin. Not even really a blurp on your radar. No self votes, nice my friend.

However solisrex and olivers-wilde have an extreme % of their votes in the last 100 days only to Haejin. They also basically ONLY comment on his posts. There are a bunch of accounts like this, that only exist inside the Haejin ecosystem, but somehow have 5k SP. Tell me who puts 5k SP into their account, and doesn't follow more than one person 80% of the time.

There are plenty of other instances where this accounts are found liking posts of another account that was active for a week or two, and all it did was comment on Haejin's post and up vote it telling him how amazing he is.

Someone made a list of about 30 and I had found like 8 more.

My issue is in the fact that he seems to be trying to hide his self up votes as well as create fake accounts to support a central account to make it seem like he is more liked or something. Honestly, idk.

But SOMETHING is up, and it seems to lack honesty.

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lmao you sure work hard to make yourself feel bad. You should follow Haejin and listen to his wisdom.

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Now 'this' is a much better quality comment, as you quite effectively lay down the signals that sent those alarm bells ringing!

Oh - and I don't do self-up-votes as a matter of principle. Its a tougher trail but in my view 'self-curation' is ill-conceived at best. Even 'if' one manages to put aside the obvious bias and conflict of interest at play, it is still an act that diverts curation funds away from actual curators.

Even if I didn't care about the well-being of the Steemit community at large - I'd still care about not cheating my followers and chance-curators out of their slice of the pie. 'shrugs'

I came across @haejin's posts in recent days - saw the glowing reviews and figured it made sense to begin following his posts. I've yet to hear of anybody complaining about the quality of his hints given - only (here) that the formatting and repetitiveness of his posts could be better.

Speaking of formatting:

I kind of understand any person running an on-going series choosing to open a recent post, copying everything, pasting to a new post and modifying to serve the day's installment. I do it myself and it (until these last few days for non-Steemit reasons) helped me to make my posts more-or-less daily.

In this case he posts multiple times a day but to be fair his chosen content matter allows for a quicker turnaround. And he is far from the only one who posts multiple times a day.

On crypto signals followers and Steempower:

Let us suppose that a person who follows @haejin on Steemit (or on Youtube - since it seems that at least some of his support spilled over from Youtube like a number of prolific Steemians before him) makes a few guided calls and makes a lot of money in the process.

It would make sense that they would appreciate what the guy is doing - and one of the more obvious ways to reward the guy would be to buy and power-up their accounts with Steem Power and up-vote this guy's content regularly. Yes, even a guy like @solisrex (circa 75 up-votes towards a particular account in, say, a 37 day period amounts to just 2 up-votes for @haejin per day - which is not beyond the realm of reason.).

This while they HODL and 'work' their ever-more-valuable STEEM (I really 'need' to get on an exchange that permits Steem-purchases - a few years is too long to wait).

Furthermore, such persons who came to Steemit because of @haejin are not necessarily going to spread their field of perception beyond him. He genuinely seems to be one of the better signal-givers on the platform - and certainly one who sends out more frequent signals.


That all being said...

I actually agree, on-balance, that 'something' is not 'quite' right about the @haejin situation. At this point I would 'not' be surprised if some 'are' clone followers.

A lack of honesty this 'would' represent and the actual consequent rape of the rewards pool dwarfed only by the Steemit-wide tradition of self-up-voting 'would' merit an intervention - but I would suggest that a degree of tact would remain desirable - lest innocent actual supporters of @haejin get caught in the crossfire. I am fairly certain, at this point that such is not what anybody on this thread wants (and this belief inspired the questions previously posed).

Thank you kindly. I have greater hope that something positive shall come of the original post.

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If he is that good with trading in cryptos why he has to rape the reward pool here on steemit and don't make a lot of money in trading cryptos I tell you why because of greed and selfishness people like him will be the reason when steemit fails.

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Oh, wow. I must say this is new information to me, but if this is true then perhaps there is more to this story indeed. Sigh, oh Steem....

Account creation with upvote bots is a huge problem, that I don't know how it is possible to solve without the introduction of digital identities. Even then, there are clickfarms in China. It is for this reason that I can't believe 100% in Steem's future the way things are now.. there are too many ways to abuse the system, and the bigger Steem grows the bigger this problem will get.

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Easiest way to solve this issue is an army of moderators with delegated SP to find abusers such as @haejin, flag/downvote until they correct their behaviors. The problem is where to get this delegated SP around millions. @ned or @steemit can delegate. Or, a benevolent whale do that. Or, a group of good whales collaborate to make a fund (e.g. as OP from bernie) to counteract these abusers.

With a research leg such as @paulag and in future using ML/DL/AI, particularly for finding self/proxy vote abusers, proposed fund will counteract them.

It is not on the edge of ethics since these blatant abusers can be easily identifiable. For interest, anyone can look into this tool and find "thoughtless comments" such as "Cute :D, Thanks, Haha........" earning $50 which is potentially $250...that does not look good for steem blockchain.

http://www.steemreports.com/trending-comments/

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I think one step would be to work as a community against users who abuse the system. You, me and the whole community can decide for themself (by flagging) if we want to support this kind of behaviour in the future.

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I don't know if the answer is self-regulation. Even though it will work for a while, I don't know if it is sustainable in the long term.

Personally, I would like to see a maximum reward per post implemented, regardless of SP. @haejin's posts aren't of great quality and probably don't deserve hundreds of dollars, but may I point out that @ned's post above has already raked in $750 as well?

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I am one of those accounts that just have been made to support haejin. I know him from youtube and wanted to actively support him because thats what he deserves imho. There are many like me which are simply grateful for all his work and that's how as an individual you can support him for his amazing work.

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You'll never convince them barsic. It's like trying to talk to a flat earther.

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I completely agree and you can see where STEEM is heading if the devs will not intervene on these issues.

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check the first post about this that berniesanders made. I did some resarch on the data i could find. Dig deeper and make your own mind about this.

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This is the only bone I'll throw you and anyone else who has a legit concern about what's happening. This is a snippet from the campaign for the website under my user name:
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That's in 3 days. There are no bots I'm sorry to tell you. We have upwards of 50k people viewing our site a week. It's strategy, and organic, nothing else. If you don't believe me, look up the public data on it. 10k youtube followers, 3k twitter followers, 6k steemit followers, and 50k website views a week. No bots. Even crypto-bot isn't a bot, it's just a name. Hope this helps anyone looking for the real story here.

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Tell me how this proves anything? There is no proof in this picture that it is your website? Plus, how is it proof that you aren't a shill Haejin account when you are stating you run a website for Haejin?

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Believe what you like. I have no obligation to reveal my information to you or anyone else. Just know that you are incorrect. I'm sorry this ever happened. We have worked months promoting and garnering support from around the web, it's not worth risking all that effort to argue about something that isn't based on any facts. And on that note, I would love to see even one single piece of real evidence that there are ANY shill accounts, rather than speculation. Good day to you.

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I can't even believe I'm going to do this, but if that's really all you need to know, that it's from our site......here ya go, I'm ashamed for even feeling like anyone deserves to see anything we own, because you don't, but I KNOW there are some actual humans with logical brains reading this. This is really the only other thing I will ever feel the need to share in regards to this conversation. If you still want to think what you do, go for it.

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You have chosen a very apt username.

Haejin gets over 50% of my voting power and will continue to get it. It didn't start out that way, he gradually earned that level over time as I could see more and more accurate information. Unlike most people that make predictions here and elsewhere he shares his methods, and has an extremely high accuracy rate. Some of his shorter posts need to be read in context with his tutorials and the information given out on his videos, they are far from uninformative if you are armed with that information, a picture tells a 1000 words. It is easy to make money holding cryptos these days but I for one have made a good deal more than I would have if I hadn't based some of my decisions on what @haejin has said.

I'm curious though, is he supposed to be gaming the system using an army of bots or is it one account giving 90% of his upvotes? With a number like 90% it can't really be both can it?

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The ecosystem gives more up votes and comments making it look like his post is legitimate and has a lot more active followers and viewers which makes the huge amount that his post is worth look more legitimate. Basically faking legitimacy through obscurity, throwing some smoke up to hide.

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OK there is some logic in that argument, soooo...has he used this elaborate scheme to fool one whale and four or five others like myself? Or do all six of us, real accounts see value in haejin's posts and use our voting power to up vote him perfectly legitimately?

If haejin owns the whale account then he doesn't need the blogs and the bot army to up vote himself. He could just create a new account every few days and upvote any random crap or self upvote comments made by the whale account. Or any number of other ways that would be far less work than actually producing the fake blog. steemcleaners etc don't have the voting power to take on a whale with the ability to allocate circa 6% of the reward pool. So I'm not buying that.

Really, even if everything @haejin says is utter crap or he just decides to post pictures of his dinner every night and gets the upvotes of 5 minnows and a whale, there is still no gaming happening.

Basically you don't agree with how some whale is allocating his or her voting power and somehow that is haejins fault. I have heard many people disagree with how berniesanders and his army of accounts allocate their voting power but they have the steem power, they can use it how they please. It goes both ways.

What is the problem again?

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Basically you don't agree with how some whale is allocating his or her voting power and somehow that is haejins fault. I have heard many people disagree with how berniesanders and his army of accounts allocate their voting power but they have the steem power, they can use it how they please. It goes both ways.

yes, exactly ... some have tried to tell haejins shills repeatedly that yes, the whale has a right to upvote and other whales have just as much right to downvote leaving haejin with what may be left. That isn't his fault.

What he needs to take some responsibility for is that he could be mitigating both sides of the equation by taking some of those short posts and putting them into a couple or even three posts spread out through the day

At one point the system penalized anyone who posted more than four times a day. A situation like this gives support to those who would like to return to a posting limit.

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For the record, I have not suggested anywhere that others do not have a right to downvote. I have simply responded to what I see as personal attacks on a man's character.

I am in full agreement that there is a debate to be had over the allocation of rewards. Diminishing returns, caps on payout / posting etc. could all be used.

Call me old fashioned but a CAPS LOCK enabled rant attacking one individual and throwing around words like "rape" is hardly the best way to initiate any kind of adult conversation

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have you checked that whale activity?

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Yes, I see what appears to be a guy who was not part of the ninja mine but instead bought a f**k tonne of steem a few months back. He has no obvious connection to @haejin that I can see.

Should I be checking for something in particular?

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Check this whale activite with other whales. Try to find a pattern...
Also, try to cross dates of when this whale buy steem, and when it starts voting for haejin

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oh my gut

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I am one of those accounts that just have been made to support haejin. I know him from youtube and wanted to actively support him because thats what he deserves imho. There are many like me which are simply grateful for all his work and that's how as an individual you can support him for his amazing work.

I have been searching for long to find a trustworthy TA in cryptos, I like his didactics and he got me motivated to study TA by myself.

I think you should feel ashamed posting this kind of empty accusations.

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I got invited to steemit under a recomendation to follow one guy, and one guy only.

Just because I don't post doesn't mean I don't exist. I'm not as active on Steemit like you are, I have a life outside of steemit.

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Same here. I was actively following him on twitter and once I heard he was being personally attacked I recently created a STEEM account to help aid him. I only follow 2 people on Twitter that provide crypto advice, 1 person on STEEM, and a few on Youtube.

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I will say it just one more time before I leave this shit to Devs to look into. First of, I am not sure if you are aware or not, but for MANY (including me) cryptocurrencies is quite a new thing, especially the rise of the altcoins and systems. It was only recently I discovered Haejin who provided me information about TA. I am not providing you in depth details about all my gains and time of starting in investing, but it is just how it played out.

I cannot talk for all other voters/viewers on his posts but this is how I got to know the steem community. If there were more people providing crypto recommendations, whether is was technical or fundamental on Steemit, I would definitely check it out too and upvote, but where the hell are they?? You tell me.

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Wanna see how good selfless crypto advice looks like? Check @cryptovestor

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Look i have been trying to stay out of this whole thing but I just checked out this account and there is no information for me in there that i can use. The reason i say this is that anyone can talk about the big coins BTC,ETH, and now LTC due to its recent growth. I am still learning the whole crypto game and so i buy maybe 1/2 of those coins because the value is so high and not geared to everyone. Day-trading has become a big part of crypto and unless a coin goes up 25%+ I will not see anything from it on a partial coin. I have used @haejin for advice on the small alts that are affordable to me and are they 100% accurate no but i have made Way more than i could have imagined putting my initial startup money in just 1 coin. I would not have a steemit account nor would my account be powered up atm if it wasn't for day-trading.

If there is an issue with the payout scale than this is something that needs to be addressed but to attack someone who is providing solid advice to those that want it is uncalled for. Is this going to make me power down and close my account... No but it will prevent me from purchasing more steem and powering that up. I have seen posts get paid just as much or even more for someone trying to just profit on themselves and not giving advice.

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By your definition of a fake account, I am fake! I joined only because of @haejin after I found him on YouTube by accident, and I now follow him quite religiously along with my roommate who also joined Steemit because he wanted to be able to comment, ask questions and be part of the crypto-analysis community around Haejins Blog!
You guys are flagging completely normal behavior!

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Sockpuppet has just been confirmed!

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I created an account to follow @Haejin and @Haejin only. I don't care for you or whatever content around here. His posts are good an honest and interest a lot of people who didn't even know about steemit before. I follow him since the beginning and yes, he did get exited and started to post more, but that is because he grew and had more requests. And that is on his success. Stop this crusade. It's dumb. If you want the system to change, do not blame him, blame the ones responsible to make steemit.

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Absolute garbage. Most of not all on his blog are here, for his blog alone!
We’re trying to learn TA and he is s great teacher.
So he got some extra transition the last few days, so what! Grow up!

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He's simply driving traffic from his Youtube channel. Nothing wrong with that.

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You all do a lot of research!

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This is a very interesting situation indeed. Me being a crytocurrency analyst myself; I'm not a huge fan of how he does his blog, but my opinion and .80 cents will buy you a cup of coffee at McDonalds. After reading through a number of his posts, I feel that in general, they seem to lacki in the content category. That said, this is a plus for some as they like to get to the meat and potatoes of an article with no interest in reading an authors colorful insight or creative use of metaphors and analogies.

Do I have an opinion in regards to using bots etc. Not one that I can substantiate, save the fact that if he was using nefarious means to upvote himself then that conduct should not be rewarded, if he wasn't then no harm no foul.

In regards to his sugar daddy whale and him accruing 6 percent of the entirety of the reward pool.. Again, touchy subject. Has he, through his hard work earned a lot of what he has? Sure.. He has been posting consistently for quite a while and for the most part been a dedicated Steemian just trying to make it. This again would be muted in the event that it was found out he was acted in a surreptitious manner to get where he is.

Onto the whale specifically. I think continually upvoting his posts to extraordinary dollar amounts is somewhat abusive of the reward pool and short sighted irresponsible behavior by a member with that much influence; again my opinion. I would hope that those at that level would look past their noses and toward the betterment of the platform and choose to evenly disperse rewards to a variety of up and coming Steemian authors.

Lets assume that Mr. Whale made some profit by taking the advice of @haejin and has made the choice to show his gratitude by up voting his posts. This I believe is fine to a point. If I had that level of influence, had profited from his advice, I would upvote a few of his posts big time in appreciation and then back it down considerably. I did my feel good deed, having rewarded him, but did not lose site of the overall goal of promoting the long term life of the platform which consists of many users.

While it may be unfair that this whale is consistently rewarding @haejin, and acting in a way that could be detrimental to the platform and its image; life is pretty much unfair all the time. The platform could shoulder a large portion of the blame as it runs on an Anarchist principle of self governance where each user is allowed to reward as often as they wish, in any amount they wish and only to those that they favor. As that is the current system; while unfair and allows for considerably disproportionate reward distribution; it is the system. So we have to work with what we have.

In looking at his blog, I think it has gotten to a somewhat ridiculous level at this point as there are many, many, Steemians that put in much more effort and produce far superior content. That said I am not going to slight him (provided he did nothing underhanded) for the efforts he put in by posting everyday, even if I find the content to be somewhat bland.

I think or hope that it will blow over at some point and this whale will look more into promoting the overall health of the site and the many users that inhabit it.

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I think that you make some good points. This discussion does boil down to the platform itself. There is that saying, "Don't hate the player, hate the game". I am wondering if that applies here. I am relatively new to the platform and if something out there erodes that trust in the platform then it could cause prospective users to not what to join the platform or newer users like me to leave the platform early on before investing more time.

As a new person, I would also agree with the comment that you made about people with influence upvoting to promote new people. I think this is important for the long-term health of the community. This will help the community grow and continue to sustain itself.

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I agree with your well written and articulate points. I, while not a whale here have achieved whale status in other areas of interest and have a more philanthropic view on how you should conduct yourself in regards to those looking for a big break. If you want more information on that go here and find my comments as I'm not retyping all that twice.. https://steemit.com/photography/@pawsdog/steemit-quest-for-one-million-time-required-to-build-a-usd1-000-000-00-steemit-account-day-12-results

I agree, in that it is a don't hate the player, hate the game. I also sense that

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I'm just going to keep grinding a way till a whale finds me.. :) I will worry about myself and the rest will take care of itself.

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Again, another voice of reason in the wilderness. Thank you. The bullying needs to stop.

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I agree.. and only feel that he should face repercussions in the event that he acted in bad faith to attain his current status. This being something that I have no information on so I cannot comment on it. As I said, he put in the work and everything occurring now is the result of his initial efforts. Again providing he was forthright and honest in his efforts to get there.

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I do think posting 10x a day could easily be combined and compiled into 2-3 posts a day with more substance, though.

Some hard forks ago a maximum of four posts per day were fully rewarded. I think that was a very reasonable rule.

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I think this was the problem that the 4 post a day rule was suppose to solve, so flagging wouldn't even be necessary if that rule was still in place

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Was ever that rule implemented?

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Previously there was a 4 post rule where after the 4th post in a day you rewards were significantly lowered.

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@pandorasbox you may be right to think that @haejin may have unlock the secret to gain more rewards by posting to a certain speed and numbers a day. And I think that that is the way the system works in STEEM/Steemit. Then if everyone of us follow the same way I don't know the impact of these in the whole system. But since this is a social media type blockchain and rewards are based on posting, commenting, upvoting and blogging so we cannot stop people from reaping their rewards. Well the only thing that we may be able
to control is that there should be some limit per day as how many you can post and how many you can upvote and commenting. By then, we can control the quality of post that people can have.

Though it defeats the goal of having a quality posts if each user is only aiming for the rewards.

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Yes, I think there are many problems in the current setup for STEEM.
I'm thinking perhaps we need to limit the max rewards to a certain % so that no single person can ever get more rewards than that.
But that would simply lead to people splitting up their efforts between multiple accounts and upvoting their own stuff, etc.

It's for things like this that we need digital identities like Civic. One person, one account, one reward.

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I feel actively downvoting/flagging his posts may not be an ethically sound solution in this case either.

Can someone explain to me the ethical stigma surrounding downvoting? On any other site, Reddit, Youtube, etc. downvoting is never an issue. One of the biggest problems with Steemit right now is the waves of bullshit spam content you have to wade through before getting to real material.

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there's a spammed wall of content that's half hearted, meanwhile i pour 4 hours into creating something and putting it together and jump through hoops to get it uploaded to d.tube only for me to be the only person who upvoted my own post even though its original work? not 1 other person upvoted my last post other than myself and my blog is being repressed because its not "quality". one account I noticed would claim to draw 'popular' mainstream anime that's clearly just downloaded from google, or 'draw' pewdiepie but it was clearly a pic changed to black and white but gets more upvotes than my original art.

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Downvoting spam is perfectly fine in my eyes. Downvoting a Steemian just because he earns a lot, isn't.

If it's the system that's broke we shouldn't be attacking individuals, but rather the system

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Well, the whole idea behind flagging is the ability to self regulate the economy and make sure people like haejin don't get more than they deserve. Literally as you flag it says for a reason to flag, "disagreement with payouts."

People need to stop crying about flagging. It is part of the idea of Steem. Not some crazy terrible thing.

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Flagging is fine to an extent. Starting a post citing a riot to "pile on" another user is flat out bullying and shouldn't be tolerated on any platform.

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I definitely agree with you that the system is broken. Of course, Steemit is going through heavy growing pains right now, and it's only exacerbated by the insane price of SBD. I'm happy for haejin and glad that he's doing very well for himself, but I understand that his frequent-posting behavior ultimately hurts all users on the platform. That kind of behavior might encourage flagging until a better solution can be found - the first reason listed to flag is disagreement over reward values.

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the individuals that profit from the broken system fight to protect that flaw in the system, thus we must fight them to fight the flaws.

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you described the problem pretty well.

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You just received my up-vote. These morons don't understand that! Smfh

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click the flag, and check the first reason you should flag a post.
and the 4th

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You have a point here. I was wondering why @haejin didn't just do a few posts per day. But his followers love him. They claim to have made tons of cash following him, so I guess someone who he is helping to make 25k in a fortnight ain't gonna complain about his winnings.

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They should power up their winnings and Power Up and vote for him. Or pay him directly.

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Exactly, there is loophole in the system itself that needs to be regulated but since STEEM/ Steemit is a social
media community then how can we regulate social media posts and contents which are basically what makes the system works. People can upvote whatever or whoever they want to support whether a friend or a well known person or based on upvotes. I myself can just ride on the popularity of a post by just going to trending and hot tags by just keeping reply and comments all along.

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This is probably the most balanced response I've seen during this debate. I've been a steemit user since Jan/Feb. I've learned quite a bit from various traders on the platform like @quickfingersluc and @exodous but @Haejin is the one I log into steemit every day to see what he's posted. The majority of Haejin's posts are videos where he walks through the TA and gives advice. Watch one of his EW teaching videos linked at the bottom of one of his posts before you launch into a tirade about the quality of his posts.

This is the second or third time I've seen Bernie attack someone over perceived abuse of the rewards pool. I agree that whales seem to have too much weight in rewards and that the algorithm for rewards needs improvement. It's also abuse when someone like Bernie purposefully attacks and shames someone like Haejin or Michelle.gent after they've contributed to the site for a long time and have organically grown their followers.

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You've been on this since January of 2017 and you haven't had time to change your profile picture ?

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Read his post in bold "@ned, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO ADDRESS THE VOTING ABUSE ON THIS BLOCKCHAIN?". He did not say "@ned, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO ADDRESS THE Haejin ABUSE ON THIS BLOCKCHAIN?". He specifically said VOTING ABUSE.

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Yes, and the title says '@haejin is raping the rewards pool', which implies some kind of ill intent. I was replying to that and trying to shed some light on that mostly.

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I can't believe that Haejin's success is being attacked! He has given tons to steemit and the crypto community. Many have made massive profits and learned technical analysis due to his efforts. Incredible, really if Haejin's success cannot be celebrated then I'd say steemit is screwed! Once you guys figure out how to make really successful people appear mediocre, then we can all sign up for a commie socialistic hybrid of dog sh#t

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@berniesanders does seem jealous at first - he said "nobody DESERVES" 6% of the pool, in true marxist fashion BUT- I still can't believe Steemit is so easy to game! Wasn't this first question they should have had in version 1.0 ? "What if someone builds a private bot net?" - "What if someone pays a click farm?" - "What if someone pays for clicks?"
Was Steemit's only thought that they could depend on a berniesanders to make the system fair???!!! LMFAO ;-)

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I too am puzzled by the lack of developer intervention to fix this issue

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add to it, what if everyone have an auto-upvote that keeps on voting what ever each person post?

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I would agree with the true marxist fashion comment.

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There's mention of improvements the community has suggested, but no links. Any idea what those are? Diminishing returns on enormous SP values? A percentage cap of the reward pool that any given user can receive in a day?

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@pandorasbox, I hate to say this but you are not doing your home-work. That reward pool sucker profit maniac is the one responsible for up-voting his own crap! Think, think, think.

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You're right, I didn't do much homework on this, and still haven't tbh, but after my initial comment I've learned additional things that did alter my perspective on the situation since then. Thread got too big to handle and answer everything though

Yesterday he was calling BTC "Bullish" when even I could see it was about to correct/crash. Says it all.
screenshot-steemit.com-2017-12-22-15-27-45-573.png
I agree that the payouts he's getting are too high. if it was only 1 post ok....but he post 3-4 times a day. Some mitigating downvotes are fair in this case.

I am not always a fan of bernie, but this time I am supporting him. Unfortunately, I cannot participate since I have to use my voting power to contain another fire in Korean community. Upvoted!

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what exactly is happening in the Korean community ?

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There are growing self-voting and circle-jerking of some whales and dolphins.