Crypto Empire Bot is Closing: What Happened?

2년 전

Hello there people,

Today we bring you some good news and some bad news.

You can read more about this on the follow up post from @spiritualmax:

Some Good News, Some Bad News!

However, for those of you who don't follow @spiritualmax, here's the summary of what happened...

Closing the CryptoEmpire Bot: Why?


Well, @spiritualmax and @eonwarped had a clear mission when this started. They wanted to provide a bot that would:

  • Create something to add value to the blockchain (hence the game);
  • Pay out its profits to people who were involved with it;
  • Make it a profitable bot by limiting overbidding.

However, some things chanced in our outlook.

For starters, @eonwarped starting considering what would happen if the project would scale.

If the bot would grow, people would get profitable votes and delegators the payouts... this means the bot would be the best option since it would be the most profitable for the community - but this isn't good as it would basically work as a automatized circle jerk.

The implications of bidbots are heavy for the blockchain, some people think they are good, some people think they are bad, some are on the fence.

Unfortunately, after some intense research and thinking, we figured out Bid Bots, even the most noble ones, aren't good.

So we decided to terminate ours.

This experiment served to show us first hands what bid bots are and do.

The majority of the content being promoted was subpar, and this was certainly something @spiritualmax and @eonwarped didn't want to happen.

We also think other bid bot owners have close to no quality standards, or they would have no customers. Something has to be done... but that is something for another post.

The Good News: The Game Isn't Stopping


Now, the good news.

One of the really great things we took from this project was the @cryptoempire game!

The game, we think, adds a lot of value to the blockchain as people are really into it.

So, @spiritualmax saved it and is going to resume it... but how?

Now without a bot there are no more delegations and profits and the game is missing a core part of its gameplay.

Hence, @spiritualmax will pause it while he brainstorms on a way to resume it.

There's possibly a full game site coming and an SMT is being considered.

@Spiritualmax wishes to build a game on the STEEM blockchain, and so this needs time to really be set up.

As for now... read below on what to do.

What to do now?


Well, if you're delegating to the bot, you can take your delegation back. It takes 7 days for your STEEM POWER to return, but that's something on STEEM's end, not ours.

On the other hand, you can also stop using the bot, all bids will be refunded.

We are taking the bot off the steembottracker (@yabapmatt's bot list).

What we would like to tell you is that this learning experience made us see bid bots with another light, and that it also helped @spiritualmax to see that a game has ample audience right here on the blockchain so that's something worth pursuing.

We feel the game adds value and the bot really doesn't, and what doesn't add value should be weeded out the blockchain.

Thank you for your support!

The Crypto Empire Crew.

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I never used your bot because you did not deserve it.
I guess because it was grumpy compliant or did not upvote comments.
So instead of I, and possibly other people, you got spammers (according to you) using your bot despite its limitations, it goes to show.
You could employ a blacklist, but what a complication it is.
Bidbots are not this bad.
They reward activity, while allowing the lesser active users to get passive income.
No income is completely passive, but relative to being an active user here, it is.
You know what is worse than bidbots?
Besides of scammers and spammers obviously, premine of the vast majority of the STEEM currency, with interest on these vests paid out of the reward pool is much worse than bidbots.
Find a way to solve this.

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Bidbots are not this bad. They reward activity, while allowing the lesser active users to get passive income.

This is what curation trails and voting bots are for. Bid-bots allow the most efficient reward pool rape to date, and most of the content being voted is crap.

You will need a teleportation device to solve the issue in the last sentence, and it's a case of get over it, or leave.

The pre-miners are the chief delegators to Bid-bots, using them is clearly the opposite of what you want to have solved.

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This is what curation trails and voting bots are for. Bid-bots allow the most efficient reward pool rape to date, and most of the content being voted is crap.

Not efficient, because losing bids are often.
Most of the content not being voted is crap too.

You will need a teleportation device to solve the issue in the last sentence, and it's a case of get over it, or leave.

Or a hard fork, or a duplication of the platform from a scratch, in a similar but not identical way to how l0k1/elfspice/calibrae wanted to implement it.

The pre-miners are the chief delegators to Bid-bots, using them is clearly the opposite of what you want to have solved.

There is no contradiction in my actions.
I just do what is best given the circumstances.

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The implications of bidbots are heavy for the blockchain, some people think they are good, some people think they are bad, some are on the fence.

Unfortunately, after some intense research and thinking, we figured out Bid Bots, even the most noble ones, aren't good.

So we decided to terminate ours.

This experiment served to show us first hands what bid bots are and do.

The majority of the content being promoted was subpar, and this was certainly something @spiritualmax and @eonwarped didn't want to happen.

We also think other bid bot owners have close to no quality standards, or they would have no customers.


THANK YOU - gold stars all round.

What about use the bot delegated power to vote the comments of the players who delegated (or the posts,if they die in the game)? With due proportion of course... This could keep people interested on the game, and would keep the rewards being distributed...

The question that you have to ask yourself is, "what is the blockchain bringing to the game design?"

That answer needs to be something broader and more useful than "it's where the posting community is," because there are a lot better places for carrying on structured communication like a play by post role-playing game than Steemit. There are places with specific support for mechanics, there are places with their own mechanical resolution systems which work just fine for the most part, there are options.

If your answer is "because all the participants can get paid a little bit from all of the other participants and their up votes, assuming that they create good content for the game" – I would respect that. That's perfectly reasonable. But beyond that, I'm not sure that there are a lot of meaningful mechanics that the steem blockchain actually supports.

Give that some thought. Let those ideas percolate.

Could and eliminate the up vote function. and and just have the game
(a dont now how it works so)

This is kind of sad and good news. Bittersweet.

Thank you for putting together a great game and a well run bot. Your team did it out of service and with the best intentions, and that counts for a lot actually.

It would be fun if you could continue the game in a sort of D&D style city builder. That was actually something I always wanted to play, buy it was always more compaign oriented, than city oriented (Although Shackled City was one of my favorite city campaigns of D&D). More possible named characters to meet that can change our course can be added. The various alignments and goals of players can provide a good foil. Possibly turf battles over resources, items, etc.. Oh, and teams/alliances with different events unfolding for all players working together seems like a natural way for things to flow cooperatively.

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ye the game was my favorite thing here ..
but a allows understand the problems.

Awe shucks. I was hoping for a community driven enterprise. Godspeed on the game though. Feel free to toss ideas this way. I would offer insight, but I have no idea where you all are heading.

I am sad. I await a restart and shall remain loyal. 😍

I liked the game, regardless of the bot. I just want to play a cool online RPG!

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Max might be tokenizing the supplies so we can trade with each other on openledger.

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What about using something like Manna to play? I can send and receive manna on my account now but there is just nothing to do with it yet.

Kudos on the Bidbot conclusion :)

Hi @cryptoempire, I feel sorry to hear this. Just read this announcement now lol.
I would like to ask for a refund of my nid sbd yesterday. Here's my proof.
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Thank you!

I can not believe I missed this post for an upvote as it is well worthy. Why - well because of your decision not to run with the bot. I fully applaud what you have done here. Wow. Awesome.