cyber•Fund is to launch a Russian Steem-based social media platform: Golos. Under license from Steemit Inc.

4년 전

cyber•Fund shifts a focus and is going to launch a Steem-based blockchain for Russian speaking community. We see a tremendous potential in this project that will later allow us to transform cyber•Fund.

Golos English Logo

During the last several months I tried to engage Russian speakers in using Steem social network, and despite some success I found the task of engaging a broader public quite difficult because of the 3 key reasons:

  1. From the author's’ perspective. I made an experiment and translated Steem paper to Russian. The paper got 217 votes and 86 comments that is really cool, but earned only $131 as a payout that sucks. Currently the Russian speaking community owns not more than 3% of a Steem network (tokens), despite the fact that Russian is one of the tenth most spoken languages in the world. As a result, an algorithm of quadratic voting leaves no more than 1/900 portion for the payouts to the Russian speaking community. So from the author’s perspective Steem is not attractive.
  2. From the developers’ perspective it is also not attractive. We as developers have zero motivation to build apps because of incentive structure and a huge hassle of finding a way to pay for the registrations.
  3. The Russians are used to earn in their national currencies: ruble, hryvnia, tenge, etc. So dollar as a payout currency is not the best option for us.

As a result, we approached Steemit Inc. and got an agreement on the following terms:

  • 10% of the GOLOS tokens from the initial 1 month phase will be distributed to the whole Steem community
    Updated based on community feedback:
    (every account with more than 7 (STEEM + SP) and at least 1 curation action) or (every account with more than 100 (STEEM + SP).
  • 10% of the crowdsaled bitcoins will be payed to Steemit Inc for the license. I will explain the rationale for our crowdsale later in a whitepaper.
  • Our official PR campaign, site and all communications will be done in Russian as our target audience is Russian speaking public. This is the only official post in English about the details of the deal and the upcoming project.
  • cyber•Fund hires a dedicated team of developers for maintaining the forked blockchain in accordance with a core protocol. This dedicated team will also contribute to the original Steem blockchain.
  • cyber•Fund reserves 1% of GOLOS tokens for the exchange in case there is going to be a Chinese Steem-based social network.

In exchange Steemit Inc. will support our project in the following ways:

  • A code review before the launch
  • Overall support across different communication channels
  • A receipt of a feedback from the Russian speaking community

This is how we see the distribution of the GOLOS tokens after the first month:

  • 60% to the crowdsale. 10% from raised bitcoins goes to Steemit Inc.
  • 10% sharedrop to the Steem community as a license payment on VESTS and STEEM in form of GP (Golos Power). Snapshot time is 12:00 GMT 29 September 2016
  • 10% to cyber•Fund to finance the Golos launch
  • 10% to cyber•Fund to donate users for their registrations and for development
  • 7% to the founding team as a reward for the launch
  • 3% to the miners in the first month

The crowdsale will be uncapped for the first 24 hours, and then capped at $3M in bitcoins.

We are going to use almost identical emission curves, allocation & supply curves as Steem does.

Subscribe to the official @golos account on Steem to have updates about development of the Russian speaking project. Our team is looking forward to your feedback.

Shiny Golos team
Golos Team: @vitaly-lvov, @pioner, @litvintech, @misha, @hipster, @creat0r. + @val and @marina in background.

Official site: http://golos.io
Crowdsale start : 15 October 2016
Extended details: To be published in Russian

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Forking beta level software over a language divide

Two words: Beta software. For this reason it makes little sense to me as there are already solutions some of us have been paying out of pocket to build that could significantly help here without having to start a new blockchain.

For instance, right now I have paid approximately 6k out of my earnings on steemit toward building a front end community management site template that enables people to make their own websites with steem as the backend (I expect this price to end in the 15-20k range easily). This means that anyone who wants to have their own site can make one for whatever community they want (be it in russian, chinese, vietnam...etc) while still using the steem blockchain. I was also planning to reach out to the top whales this week to help me with this task (but with little to gain but forks taking their work there is very little incentive for them to say yes).

As for payment in other currencies, I am confused why people cannot just change their region and currency of choice and Steem will create SB(X) that works the same as SBD thus bringing more value to steem holders.

What I see here is that Steemit will get more funding (which hopefully is a good thing), but in so doing has essentially done it at the expense of many people who have bought/earned steem and powered up much of their tokens. Though I see how this could be seen as helpful in the case of initial distribution being more "fair", I believe it is not.

Why?

Because if every time Ethereum was copied the Ethereum foundation got a cut, but anyone else holding a large stake in Ethereum but those who provided funding for the foundation to get the codebase to where it is now has to buy into the clone or have multiple sockpuppets with the easy 7SP minimum for a decent stake (on a clone toward which they had already paid to have built), ETH holders would be very angry and would only grow to distrust the foundation (more than they already distrust today).

Additionally, there are many accounts out there with whales who have created sock puppets just to upvote and pay themselves. Those whales are going to be far wealthier in golospower than anyone else as they will have a large army of users who can come together to auto upvote one another.

The fairness of steem's payouts, and the language problems as well, should not end up being that big of a problem if adjustments are made during beta to help mitigate them. Additionally, the market price of steem will help iron out the current "distribution issues" over time.

Please tell me how this doesn't hurt steem as I might be missing something---but from what I am seeing this is a terrible idea for steem holders and opens up every single person I told "Steem is not a scam" to say "fuzzy you are an idiot who trusts too much". It does however serve to be one heck of an ICO for something Google Translate could fix while still helping all steem holders. And to those who think whales will not exist there...I've got a nice bridge to sell you...

Most important question:

Wouldn't the Golos team be helping the ecosystem more if instead of forking steemit based off something so fixable as a "language barrier" (that integrating with google translate could help mitigate) if they made something different than a simple Clone?

I can think of a few highly profitable ways of them Innovating (that doesn't split the steemit community):

  1. Twitchit -- the steemit based fork that lets you earn cryptocurrency in addition to your twitch earnings!
  2. Gitit -- the steemit based fork that lets you fork your project from github and earn tokens by having your code upvoted by whales and dolphins in the ecosystem!
  3. Wikit -- the steemit based fork that lets you post and curate articles and get paid by admin accepting your additions/omission requests...
  4. Leakit! -- a steemit based fork that lets you post leaks of government corruption, war crimes...etc. and the community who validates it can pay you (and earn some LeakPower in the process!)

And there are others I could speak of today...with MANY more if I took the time to think about it. All of these projects could share code in many respects and still help one another coexist. This is the wrong way forward imo...at least for the benefit of the community.

I mean what if they actually innovated and decided to make a steem based github chain? How amazing would it be fore EVERY single graphene chain to ever exist thereafter? And they would likely become so famous that 3 million dollars would be a drop in the bucket. Something tells me I should stop paying out of pocket to work on steem if this keeps going this way and maybe just buy into every one of the clones that comes out to "save the day" so I can make profit off the pumps that will be to come...and if someone who is so longterm thinking as me is thinking this, one has to wonder how many others are thinking the same.

I am generally pretty positive and do see the reasons why they would consider this a genuinely decent idea. I also see them smiling and happy in the picture above (so sorry for bursting the bubble), but I have to be honest here and say there are FAR more valuable projects that could be worked on using a similar crowdfunding campaign that would HELP steem fix these problems---without murdering the value of those who have already invested in steem and also dividing the community.

If only I had a team of coders who would help me and a 3 million ICO, maybe I could build some of these chains that actually use the concepts of steem in an innovative way...

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I wrote a post about proposed Russian sidechain a few weeks ago.
The main idea was if you can't prevent something then try to lead it
As @ned pointed out it is interesting experiment, and we could learn from it something useful for a future Chinese sidechain, which again I think is just unavoidable.
Of course it doesn't make sense to create a clon, I believe some real innovations could be introduced there.

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Though I agree with your premise of "if you can't prevent something then try to lead it", this does not mean the community should support it or validate it in anyway. Also, though I agree the new clones are somewhat unavoidable, building things that work with steem but require a license or lots of human resources to accomplish ins could create a way to help keep the code from being constantly forked every time the broader
community senses "unfairness".

This precedent scares the hell out of people wanting to hold steempower (because if it can be forked at any time I might as well just hold my steem and wait for pump and dump sessions from newly forked clones (that I might make).

To me the idea of leading it would be promoting innovative uses of the tech. For instance, what is keeping steem whales from getting together and saying "we will put x amount of our voting power behind GitHub Chain being built and sharedropped on steem holders"? Then running an ICO for 3 million to help pay for it?

Instead we (mind you this is not talking about ned, but as a community) are leading from behind with a vanilla clone based on a single language in the name of "fairness".

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I might as well just hold my steem and wait for pump and dump sessions from newly forked clones (that I might make)

In fact I was expecting the majority of whales to stop power down long before 40 cents for 1 Steem. Well, maybe that is an explanation.

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OP's reasons for creating an alternative blockchain are very weak.
-He only received $131 for his post --> I receive on average $0.4.
-Russian owns only a tiny portion of the network --> so does Italy, Spain,Greece,Brasil and every other country except USA.
-Not clear on why it is not attractive to developpers.
-The Russians earn in their national currency --> an option to show equivalent in your currency is a few lines of code.

This to me sound like a very bad idea why? Because if we start solving the language and distribution problem like this we will end up with as many blockchain as we have countries and the big idea that was steemit will end up like a tiny niche project.
The direction steemit is going is not the right one. Many people here hope that steemit will become the next facebook but if the founders solve the language barrier like this it's never going to happen.
Imagine if zuckerberg would have shared its source code earlier with everyone that could provide a different language version of facebook? Well the result is that there would be a lot less chances that zukerberg's facebook would be THE one we have today.
The more concerning thing is that they don't realize that golos are direct competitors, what happens when golos the Russian site becomes golos the International site?

The fact that steemit inc endorse this kinda project tells me they have a very narrow vision for what steemit should be. I see steemit as THE protocol for social media but looking at all the votes it seems that many don't really think this way.
Social media is all about network effect,it's like currency, the more people uses it,the more valuable it becomes for everyone else and that's why there are only a few giant in the space. The first post I wrote was actually a post that explains how to create the best network effect which is to have a lot of diversity on the same site ( marketplace, video,etc..).Imo even projects that uses steemit blockchain but on different site are bad because they reduce the network effect. It's all about attracting every type of users, golos is like saying bye bye to the Russians.

For steemit to support all languages they just have to create translation bounties, there are very few words to translate on the site and then create a box where user can tick to only view their prefered languages. They say it's not attractive to developers, why not code that feature instead of building a whole new site with a whole new blockchain?

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posts translation completely misses the point.

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Maybe what it should have said was:

We'd like something like this, but our government won't let us have it.

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100% agree with you @officialfuzzy! Just a week ago I wrote on Steemit.com: a much needed upgrade!:

I think it's time for @dantheman and @ned to prioritize the development of a steemit.com multilingual frontend that eventually would look like this

The "long term idea" of STEEM would be to develop a multilingual frontend. If today we separate russians from steemit.com, tomorrow chinese, and the other day spanish speaking people and insist in steemit.com as an english only frontend platform but also come into fork agreements for just a language issue (issuing new tokens and all) in exchange of a deal for today, the value of steem is then eroded.

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upvoting because I personally agree with you. would give more but i do not want only my thoughts to echo on this page's responses.

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I only would consider to change my opinion if there is a technical reason that makes imposible for the STEEM blockchain to host a social network at a FB scale... but we are far from there.

This seems more like a cash-in deal for today with little care for the long time vision of steem. So more likely to solve a funding issue for Steemit Inc. And also about a week ago, I suggested a funding strategy for Steemit: How Steemit could learn from Ripple's funding strategy

So also I don't see it as a good funding strategy for Steemit Inc. as well...

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yeh...i don't know what steemit inc thinks about this as I am not them. I wish I knew the motivation.

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Because if every time Ethereum was copied the Ethereum foundation got a cut, but anyone else holding a large stake in Ethereum but those who provided funding for the foundation to get the codebase to where it is now has to buy into the clone or have multiple sockpuppets with the easy 7SP minimum for a decent stake (on a clone toward which they had already paid to have built), ETH holders would be very angry and would only grow to distrust the foundation (more than they already distrust today).

^ This Right Here.

Also Twitchit... Fuck yeah let's get me streaming over here :-). Destiny rise of iron anyone? Lmao ok ok a little off topic.

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Read it all bro. If you agree with that youll shake your head as you read the rest.

I have yet to have a sigle person from their team even respond to my inquiries much less defend their position...and every argument i have heard FOR thus far are easily disposed of once one thinks rationally.

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Can I ask you a couple of questions about this? Can't find you in chat.

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you can always join me in mumble.
Directions are in this post (scroll down to the middle of my post and you will see instructions on how to join). This is where you can usually find me.
https://steemit.com/beyondbitcoin/@officialfuzzy/guest-signups-beyond-bitcoin-hangout-174-9-25-16-rsvp-to-friday-s-hangout-refer-projects-for-rewards

I am also sometimes on steemit.chat as fuzzy.

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Thanks. I'll connect in chat. Haven't used mumble and am not in a rush. Just curious about something that I've been thinking about and your post made me think you would have answers my not-so-techy thought process. :)

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I've loaded Mumble and tried to reach out to you, but have no clue what I'm doing. I think you should see me in there.

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Oh i saw u in there today! I registered you so you can move freely.

Ill be on tonight editing and postinf yesterdays hangout if you want to join me ;)

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YOU WERE RIGHT, MAN!

From the perspective of Steem this of course sucks a little bit that you weren't able to use the existing blockchain.

But from the perspective of Russians this seems to be great news! The country really needs an uncensorable social media platform. Combined with a fast and free cryptocurrency it might be a real game changer.

That might be also a real problem for you. Kremlin doesn't seem to be very happy with free and open discussion. Former VKontakte CEO was fired and he had to flee abroad because he didn't comply with authorities.

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Weren't able to use steem? Why do you say this? Am i missing something? I didn't see anything that made sense as a rational reason for simply cloning steem in a new language and with a new brand (and asking for 3 million and 7% of the stake up front to do it). In short...to me it seems like steem is being cloned and stake weight (aka vested interested in the chain) being ignored for another metric that can easily be gamed being put in place.

If this were actually Innovating I would be so pumped. I don't enjoy saying this, but instead I see this more as capitalizing on an early perception of uneven distribution + language barriers to co-opt steem and divide the community. I understand social networks largely up to this point have been somewhat geographically bound to a few locations (like fb not making it in china for instance), but this seems like a bit hamfisted attempt to either fix something (in the wrong way) or worse...a way to make lots of money while slapping those who powered up in the face, and the whales who powered down, but spent lots of money on building things for steem.

Like I said though...if there is information I am missing, I would love to be proven wrong.

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oh really

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Golos for Russians could become more than money making machine. It is a great alternative to the existing social networks that are censored and controled to some extent by the government (including Facebook).

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Are you afraid that the government will come after you? They might get really angry if they can't have any kind of control over a social network.

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This will be an interesting experiment for Steem technology, the broader blockchain industry and Russian speakers worldwide who may benefit from a Russian focused platform. Looking forward to watching this grow. Congrats!

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I hate to say it ned because I love the vision of steem. But this to me is not an experiment. It is forking the code and dividing the communities over problems that could have been fixed with customizable front ends for steem.

To me they are getting not only to clone it, but a code review by the people working on steem in addition. An Experiment would be to actually try to build something we need using another chain.

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not to mention i18n is built already (not sure if @misha did a pull request, but it s question of time.) not to mention @misha already built a feature that auto-detects country then recalculates $numbers to local currency using yahoo-provided exchange rates. this works locally, and can be merged into steemit.com repo.

but still forking makes sense - different token distribution, another (not dollar) currency binding (probably this also won't make sense for you. :) ), ability to tweak logic of tokens flow (it s probable that steemit solutions are biased culturally - like all solutions people make daily), different copyright policies - ton of reasons possible.

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The proposed solution of having a different chain still doesnt solve all of this. Additionally steem itself is capableof creating steembacked(enter fiat here).

Want to be paid in steembacked gold instead? Its possible!

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Hate the game, not the player:

Laws being what they are, AFAIK, this is the best solution.

Not to mention the as-of-yet-unsolved issue of machine translation. It fails to capture nuance, and nuance is the key to writing well.

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What laws specifically make this a necessity and in what jurisdiction?
I want to know details.

As for hate. There is no hate only genuine (and valid) distrust of intentions.

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There is no need to translate content, just need to translate the few words on the actual interface so that russians understand how to post, create an account,etc... Afaik golos will not translate english post to russians anyway, they just want russians to post russian content and they can do that just fine on steemit.com
The only needed feature is an option to select prefered language so that russians can only see the russians content if they wish to.

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Be prepared for Chinese to be next )

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Korean, Chinese, Hindi and all the other countries were fb is not as popular

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Steemit and the likes are directly competing with facebook so you can add to the list every non english speaking country.

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I am Russian -Speaking. I don't think it is a good idea. If there is any "language barrier" (personally, I don't observe it at all - here we have many talented authors writing in Russian) ) I can say, that here SHOULD be one.

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Less than several % of the total community, and only those who understand English. Most of the Russian speakers do not know and do not care about English.

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They say that yet the platform is not very competitive with what Facebook offers. Facebook is not a blogging platform. Facebook isn't a vote trading control panel either. You don't have to worry about trading on markets to use Facebook.

At it's core Facebook is image sharing and instant messaging which is why they bought Instagram and WhatsApp. They buy up any competitor they can in those spaces.

They need to add binary data to the blockchain and give us profile pics at the very least. A drastic shift in focus to the user experience, signup funnel and onboarding process needs to be implemented in order to ever even hope of competing with the likes of Facebook.

For the time being Steemit is a competitor to BitcoinTalk.

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Missed this comment before I put in mine!

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I wonder if the same experiment could be applied to the Chinese market, especially considering China's stance on creating 'copy-cats' of nearly every social media site that is directed towards the Chinese populace.

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This is a tactical mistake for Steemit Inc. @ned. You could just develop a multilingual frontend for steemit.com instead of promoting and welcoming a diaspora.

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@ned - It seems like it is probably too late to undo this, but IMO this does seem like a bad thing for the long-term future of Steem. Do we want to end up with a separate blockchain and currency for each language?

I don't know how 'technically easy' this is, but one alternative you should consider is to keep Steem as the foundation currency but have 'forks' of different "Steem Powers". I wrote about it here in this article, although at the time I wrote it - it talked about more things to split over than just languages. It definitely applies to this scenario though, and could be limited to just language splits if we didn't want to introduce more splits than that.

Alternate Steem Powers - Evolution of Steem - An Idea for Supporting Multiple Independent Steem Based Communities

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as @officialfuzzy pointed out it is maybe a bad idea for the steem holders interest ...
They could just fork steemit "the front end" and make it appealing to Russian speaking people and just get your support (votes) for a RUSSIAN-CURIE like project that they could establish...

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Why wouldnt front ends customized for russian (a project we've been spending a bit of time and steem earnings on mind you) with a steemit backend be better?

I really fail to see the benefits here.

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Because the Russians want to be whales too. Did you not hear that guy, he complained about a $131 post, he wants more.
Ned is probably not confident enough in his own project so he is betting on multiple horses at the expense of steem power holders. Might sound harsh to say that but I honestly can't think of any other reasons. Or maybe selling the proprietary tech to companies was the plan all along.

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I don't know what Ned's motivations are so I'll let him speak for himself...but I can definitely say the people who I think are being hurt most are the ones who actually sacrifice for the project.
I am not hurt nearly as badly as others so I am not nearly as worried about myself, but I will certainly say this changes the dynamic for me substantially. The Diaspora will come...but heck you have to admit the hope of receiving 17% total of the tokens given out seems like a relatively easy way to make 3 million up front and a lot more money dumping (while all of the steem token holders get a small, non-weighted amount of GolosP as SP in the new system).

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Or maybe selling the proprietary tech to companies was the plan all along.

That would be a nightmare ! I don't want to think about it

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That was the original plan of Graphene. I'm not sure if it applies here.

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lol this is like a bitcoin dev say go dash!

I'm a little ambivalent about this myself, but it should be an interesting experiment. In an ideal world, it would be nice if we could have all the conversations on one chain, but from a practical perspective, separate chains may be the best we can do at the moment.

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Agree, maybe in one day somebody will make multi client)

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I wish that I could upvote more strongly.

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language barriers are much higher than I originally thought. so, I second to your second opinion - separate chains might be best currently...

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language barriers for a beta version of software...
Creating a clone does not solve this.

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Barriers are not restricted to langauge, and let's not forget that translators (machine translators) do not get "tone"- at all.

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We have to realize machine translation will ONLY improve in the next 5-10 years (which is about how long it will take for steem to go mainstream anyway) and will still be workable if one is looking for the content of thoughts as opposed to perfect grammar and eloquent, flowery verbage.
Additionally it is STILL far better a solution than this proposal.

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by reading @officialfuzzy and others comments, it's really had to make my mind around this project. Absolutly valid points have been made here. Forking a beta product can be challenging especially when it comes at maintaining the community unite. I don't know all the technical details but i see this as an experiment to have other try a product in a way that best feed their need. We don't know what will come up but we can learn from each other and share our work in a way that benefit the entire Graphene Community. If every country come up his Steem fork and it coin, it will be base on our underlying technology and help grow our ecosystem faster. Maybe we can do this differently but I believe in free market and let see what happen...We are all trying and maybe we would find out that it was not the best solution. If golos project grow faster that Steemit, may be we would learn from them. I do support the project . Facebook is not the biggest social network in every country.

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Actually what is happening here could be done in a way that doesnt divide the communities and feed the trolls who already said it was a ponzi.
They could make a chain that serves a purpose to help graphene like I posted above in the innovation" section. These are places we actually need help. This is a quick grab for money imho. At least until someone respond and gives me reason to believe otherwise. Trust me I am hoping I am missing something big but on the surface and knowing the history this looks like plain old greed and impatience all the while stepping on steempower holders faces.
More and more I start seeing why traders just buy pumps and then dump them on the longterm holders.
Now they are going to say its Ponzi x2. And would they be wrong? Technically yes. to the trolls...no Starting to ask the question guys and gals...

The author made mistake here : "The Russians are used to earn in their national currencies: ruble, hryvnia, tenge, etc."

Russian national currency is ruble. Hryvnia is currency of Ukraine. Let Russians invent whatever they want, I'm, as Ukrainian, won't enter this project ... You know why.

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The author does not speak English fluently. It meant to be "The Russian speakers ...." as there are Russian speakers in every post-Soviet country, including Ukraine. Nobody forces anybody to switch to Golos. If you don't use Russian, it is not meant for you.

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make a ukranian one and fork golos. then require them to review your code and basically launch it for you. Then you can give them a small stake in it for the favor. In addition you can create 1000's of fake accounts w/ over 7 GP and an upvote and sharedrop on them all the while saying "look we got rid of whales" (when in fact they just tricked you to trade one set for another---who will try to enforce language restrictions no less).

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you re mistaking language with nationality; and nationality with country as well

Great, that's exactly what we've been waiting a long time

I need to do more research and process this news - but initial impressions are incredibly depressing.
I don't know what to say about this that hasn't already been said by others in this thread
I really do not understand why this would get official support.
We should be working on the interface issues to integrate other languages, not forking the whole blockchain.

I committed so much time and money to this project because I thought we were working towards a complete replacement for facebook,twitter,wordpress + more for the world.

If this is successful , others will follow and we will have forked blockchains for every region and niche in no time.

ReSteeming for visibility and will be researching further..

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Если писать статьи на Русском языке здесь, то большинству совершенно невозможно заработать.

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Google translated above:
"If you write articles in Russian language here and the majority is quite impossible to earn."

If you write articles in English, but nobody likes them - you'll have the same issue. However if you write good articles, and we have the tools to auto translate to EVERY language then you suddenly have a worldwide audience and a better chance at getting votes.

This isn't a Russia only problem and splitting the community will only make it worse imo.

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Отлично, зайди на русскоязычный пост и прочти комменты под ним. Гугл как и любой другой переводчик отвратительно работает с большинством нелатинских языков. Англоговорящее большинство здесь может продолжаться наслаждаться фотками шишек травки, которые набирают за 1000 баксов

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There were some excellent photos of marijuana...

But I totally get your point :).

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or if we work to add multilanguage support on top of steem!

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"I really do not understand why this would get official support."

$$$$$$$

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Well yeah, but still .. Any btc taken from a crowdsale of some new token would be nothing in comparison to the massive losses in confidence and value of their steem power holdings .. Doesn't make sense

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Non-linear reward system is inherently biased and unfair to minorities. If you want Steem to be international you gotta change the reward system.

For what it's worth, I think this is fantastic. It's been clear from early on that Steemit is structurally antagonistic towards non-English communities. I don't mean that people are actively trying to prevent non-English from working here, I just mean that the fact that our whales are English speakers means that there's essentially no payout available for posts in other languages.

Thanks for the sharedrop!

I was sure something big will come from your team!
Congrats and I wish the best!

...obviously resteemed!

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I must admit I can see the negatives of this initiative now
Why don't you fork the steemit front-end, the steemit.com site and make it appealing to Russian People...
I am sure you could get the support of some whales to vote for some Russian content with your team making a RUSSIAN-CURIE project...

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Google translate liondani...google translate.

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lol
I admit I didn't thought about the consequences.
I was focused on the tree and I missed the forest!

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I still <3 you bro. Lol

Great initiative. The Russian-speaking community is enormous, but a lot of passionate and open-minded people couldn't gain and contribute here due to various reasons, especially language barriers.

Hopefully, with Golos launch, these problems will be resolved, and it will be a new milestone in the development of Russian blockchain community.

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Why doesn't the Russian community instead work with the community to help build solutions here?

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@fuzzyvest I wanna be clear:

In china and russia when "the uncle" is prohibiting something, it is stated as something akin to "various reasons."

BTW: "the uncle = the man"
2nd BTW: In China, it's Xi daddy "xi baba"

I don't blame you or anyone for their first reactions to this ,but I strongly encourage each of you to dig deeply into this and attempt to learn as much as you can about the contexts within which these sites will operate. It is not the same as our context.

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Мы здесь не получаем денег.

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that is because it is in open beta! lol
there are plenty of ways that smart people in steemits community (or even these proposing cloners could build that would empower the community to all be able to read eachothers content regardless of spoken language. Instead we will be divided.

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Now you have to speak English if you want to be heard and read on Steemit. Russian-speaking community will never be bigger than English-speaking community. However, Golos could be self-sufficient as there are several hundred millions of people for whom Russian is a native language.

Today a friend of mine failed to sign up on Steemit having this error message

Could it be related to this Golos announcement?

Update: no, I was told that Steemit seased to sign up from ru-Facebook long ago.
Well, by the way my abovementioned friend do have about 800 friends and 130 followers, does it make any difference?

congratulations! waiting for details

Отлично! Мы этого ждали и дождались! Желаю успехов, это большой шаг для развития не только русскоязычного сообщества, но и экосистемы самого Стима

Well done!

This is a very courageous move . It might be premature with steemit still in beta.

And it might become a sort of competition to steemit which can be good or bad.

I don't know, I have mixed feelings about it. But I wish you all the luck anyways.

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Enter the altsteems

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This is not necessarily a bad thing, and they're not like, oh, I don't know.... potcoin.

They exist for concrete reasons.

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Courageous is not the word I personally would use for it.

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Well, I am a polite guy, personally :)

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I work toward that as well but when warning bells are ringing...i like to make sure people know. :/

Отличная новость! Ура!!!

Молодцы! Удачи!

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Wish google translates api was added to the front end so I could know whether I agree with you. Such is beta software though I guess. Shouldn't cost more than 10k...

This is an excellent piece. Now following and looking forward to seeing your posts. I posted a article earlier about how STEEMIT has the potential to put Facebook in the dark with a +$500 billion valuation. I know that it sounds crazy just thinking about it, but after I started to share it with my followers on Twitter they have suddenly got what STEEMIT is all about. More importantly its potential. If you get a minute take a read of it, it may blow your mind. Cheers. Stephen

What do you think, when Golos go live number of articles copied from Russian sites will decrease?

The part that has me a little concerned is that this new blockchain will not be using Steem as its currency. Is that correct?

Can you please explain more about how these new blockchains that are derivatives of Steem will not be taking away from the value of the original Steem coin?

It seems that the end result is a bunch of Steem copies, each with their own markets and value, rather than everyone in the world eventually adopting Steem.

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Correct. Which means it is a competitor that forked steemits code and gave themselves a lions share with NO checks to ensure they will even help.

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Thanks for the reply. Just stating the obvious, but doesn't this seem like a bad thing? .. Most people seem to be commenting and voting like it is a good thing. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how this benefits the community. It seems to be doing the opposite.

[Edit] No need to reply.. I Just saw your top level comment.

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I was one of them... that had a first good impression!
Fuzzy makes very valid points and I agree with them!
The negatives seems to be more than the positives...
They could just fork steemit the site and make it Russian friendly and even get support from ned or other whales to support a RU-CURIE like project!

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If you have a min, please take a look at my reply to @ned and let me know what you think.

Can you confirm you need 7 Steem and not 7 Steem power.

@hipster - reduction from 21 to 5 witnesses is decided or just for testing? Are there any seed nodes available already for GLS?

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yes, setting 5 witnesses is for testnet ease of operation.
no, currently our testnet is ran inside founders team, on next iteration it will become public - but still it will be testnet. production-mode GLS net is anticipated nearly on 10 Oct, maybe 15 or 5

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ok, thanks for clarification!

Will the gp we receive be visible from The steemit interface or will we need to go to golos to access it?

Will out Steem logins work on the new system or will we need to Reregister?

This makes a lot of sense though I hope it adds value to Steem chain.

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  1. No, you will need to check your GP at Golos
  2. Yes, you will be able to use your existing Steem login in Golos
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  1. Yes, you will be able to use your existing Steem login in Golos

So just to be clear in order for any current steem user to gain any benefit from this - we have to login to your website with our current steemit login ?

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i would change password after you logon.

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No, you will need to check your GP at Golos

And Golos will be only in Russian. Doesn't seem like a fair method of payment to the current steem community.

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I could sell my Russian Id at some point.

Golos people I would aim for a lower voting power exponent. That's the key flaw of steemit.

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Exactly, what use is giving us shares in a community that doesn't want to integrate ? You'll get a bunch of english posts on day 1, plus you would effectively inherit the current whales through the sharedrop ?

This feels more like distraction bribery then something valuable.

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I stick to my point: build something we actually need. Don't take the easy vanilla clone path that so many have used to get people to give up money left and right for int he past. There are MANY chains that they could build that would not divide our community but give it more tools...and they could be modified clones of steemit.

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They'll have tons of English users on day one. Enterprising Russians will translate to earn the English vote.

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Hey, I'll guess I'll be on there with google translate , powering down and dumping for steem. )

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Taking into account a real situation with the digital services (and not only them) languages divide a world community. And for the time being people prefer to use their native languages for communication. Chinese, Russian, Spanish, Portuguese, French are spoken by billions of people fluently, and they simple can't and do not want to compete with the English speakers in writing and reading in English.

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I don't think anybody is arguing that you should be forced to write in english, I want to see all languages right here on steemit and have the tools to automatically translate so we can have a true global community.

Native language should be irrelevant..

@hipster could you explain this part ? i dont get it :
cyber•Fund reserves 1% of GOLOS tokens for the exchange in case there is going to be a Chinese Steem-based social network.

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That mean that if there will be Chinese fork we have a right to exchange 1% of Golos to some portion of Chinese Community on their terms

I smell PRIDE overflowing in this project. tssss

Great work @officialfuzzy ! I subscribed to golos, can't wait to hear more about this project. I have a passion and love for the Russian people, I was a missionary there years ago. Check out my post if you have a second! https://steemit.com/gardening/@brownsgreens/selling-your-own-produce-essential-do-s-and-don-ts

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I didn't do this. lol i'm just glued to this thread and stunned that we are going through a reverse merger but again in a seemingly dangerous way.
Where before I disagreed with bitshares "merging" with other chains to make a "super chain" and advocated multiple Decentralized Autonomous Corporations (DACs), I now see a different situation.

"But what is the difference that makes this so @officialfuzzy?"

Well to be frank...this time it is a complete clone with a sharedrop that locks away all new users from steem into gp and gives them no choice in the matter. In addition, it does nothing to add actual Innovative services. If this was a proposed Multilanguage Github or other service, the Russians would become filthy rich without diluting the people who work on making steem's services as robust as possible...and you would see me posting nonstop how amazing this news is.

Those who are bitshares historians will know what i'm talking about.

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I am glad you exists!