Obstacles to Steem adoption

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Welcome page you refer to is 404 now.
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Also we need a good landing page for a cold new steemers at least.

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Looks like Steempeak changed the links. Should be pointing to Steemit or they should duplicate the pages.

Good list. Very reasonable.

I would combine your picks to describe an unfriendly, unwelcoming culture devoid of a sense of justice or fairness.

Our tech isn't friendly and easy, nor are our community rules and understanding. Steem is not easy, friendly or fair. Those who are sensitive will likely not be comfortable here.

I'm not sure we can fix that, so I guess we hope for thick skinned, self starters who aren't impacted a lot by other people's judgements. :)

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Yet a lot of people who are not involved in the various feuds continue to use it. It's easy to get lost in the fights and negativity, but that is only part of the story. Still, it will put people off. Latest blackmail memos will not help matters.

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Weaknesses of DPOS, there are also strengths though

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so I guess we hope for thick skinned, self starters who aren't impacted a lot by other people's judgements. :)

.....thats greenpeace and extinction rebellion ruled out then!

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I hope the friendly jesting came through in my comment. I love our dysfunctional little family, but I clearly see how odd it looks to others.

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Dysfunctional?
You think? lol

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Something alien, I guess, though I took to it like a duck to water. I'm not normal though ;)

Totally agree with all of these barriers you brought up. I spend a lot of time talking to people IRL about Steem and getting them an account and trying to walk them through it.

The process is arduous, but occasionally I can get someone to make a post or two. I managed to pull together a lot of the common questions and put together this page — https://Steemleo.com/faq

Now when I sign someone up, they get a Steem account, a link to that page and I answer all their other questions over text, of course. I try to down play Steem as much as I can — in the sense that I don’t try to explain everything on Steem to them, I just explain what Steemleo is and I mention that it runs thanks to a technology called the Steem blockchain — similar to how people explain what a website or what social media is today — Twitter is a social media app.. but they don’t tell their new users everything about the internet that it runs on. What you see is twitter and that’s what matters to twitter users.

Posted via Steemleo

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The Leo FAQ looks a lot like the Steemit one. I see Leo doing some good stuff like the store, but I tend to use Steempeak as I want to see all posts.

Steem is hard to explain and when you add tribes to the mix they may give up. We need ways to ease people into posting here. Once they grasp the concepts they can branch out.

All good points. All ones I agree with.

I would love to see groups like Extinction Rebellion and Greenpeace here.

This place is already infested with useful idiots - why would more be a good idea? lol

Steem inc - from start to present day, is a place of lefty ideals.
(I wonder why it's not succeeding?)

The cultural pendulum is swinging back to sanity, away from the recent years of idiocy.
I'm not sure Steem is gonna survive it.

We've had styhexenhammer - half a million followers on various platforms - leave.
We've had stefan molyneux - half a million followers or more - leave.

...then we have people like @mepatriot downvoted to death by accounts that most probably are part of 'the establishment'.
It's down voted because of ideology, nothing more.

The shedding of the user base, has come a lot from the sane centrist and free market /anarchy types.
The commies/corporatists/ are still here.

IF the pendulum IS swinging away from 'collectivism' BS, and steem continues as it is - which is an oligarchy by any standard definition, I see only one direction.
Throw in anonymity for witnesses who make the decisions - talk about a recipe for corruption!
20 people, to decide the course of direction for platform with over a million accounts?

I'm trying my best to be 'the happy wrecking ball', but I doubt my success.
Too many sycophants here, who are blind to reality. Too many useful idiots.

We don't need more deep state, establishment funded, left wing political parties here.
Greenpeace? Extinction rebellion? Really?

I've always wanted steem to thrive, but the reality as it now stands, is telling us that it's doing far from that.

Getting Greta Thunburg's demented supporters on board, ain't gonna help.

I'll stop typing now, and wait for the 'you can always leave' comments, lol

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I would not suggest you leave and I very rarely downvote people because of their views. There are lefties here and all-out capitalists. Marx would not approve of decentralism. Seems those on the right like a bit of name-calling, but that washes off my leftie skin. Nazi whale killers can join for all I care, but I doubt they will get much support, whilst my planet-loving brethren will get votes from me :)

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Seems those on the right like a bit of name-calling

........and then calls whale killers nazis'????? lol. (I'm not sure what whales have to do with conversation though)

Are you aware of the backing behind greenpeace?
It a place for well meaning (but nevertheless), useful idiots to frame a narrative for the powers that be.

Soros et al are not some 'progressive philanthropists' , they are puppeteers for the establishment, who use well meaning (but not too bright) individuals, to usher in one world governments through chaos.
Hegelian dialectic and all that.
Then the killing/culling will begin, as has to happen in all leftist hierarchies. Authoritarians hate dissent. (they hate the world, not love it).

Marx wasn't too keen on democracy either, but saw it as necessary stepping stone, to achieve communism.

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I just made up whale killing nazis as a new category of lunacy. There's other things I could call the Japanese 'scientific' whalers.

Hi @steevc

a few very good points and sadly I had to agree to many points.

The user-interface and onboarding SUCKS

But couldn't this be changed?

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@steempeak made a new explore page on their beta.steempeak.com

I love it; it's the first view that is less confusing and rather comprehensive.
I hope we'll have a landing page like this one day.

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wow, this feels way better as old school steemit.com

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those guys are doing a fantastic job! I never looked back at steemit.

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We have several ways to access Steem now and some improve a lot on Steemit. I think Steemit Inc have said they just wanted to provide a reference site and let others do their own thing to offer a better experience.

We do need tools to make it easier to set up new users. I create accounts with Steempeak and Steem World, but they really need to change the keys and that is not simple.

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Fully agree. This is not what an typical artist can handle - or even care about.

I set it up for they and tell them just post as before on Insta....

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Maybe an account should be setup including keychain; then the users would only need their own PW to access that...

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A trusted party could wrap Steem so that users can just use a password, but it should force them to change the keys and take control once they reach a certain amount of Steem. For now you only need to set up Keychain once anyway. I would hope there's a decent tutorial on that somewhere.

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A trusted party could wrap Steem so that users can just use a password

maybe account creation could be implemented into keychain?

All some good points, but one of the most important, (at least I think so), is the world reach. I don't know if 3speak, or dtube ever have not available in your region, when it comes to video sharing, I have seen that a lot on video's that are linked in steem post.

You mention Facebook, I don't face book and very rarely visit a facebook page, so a question. How many people in different countries do you visit on a regular basis on face book? Russia? Kenya? Argentina? Poland? Portugal? Bali? Venezuela? Nigeria? Slovakia? Are all those peoples and countries as easily accessible on face book as on steem? I know I get a lot of Not available in your region messages from Youtube when visiting videos posted by people in countries other than America. I know facebook and yt are also world wide, but is seeing and finding post and pages from them as easy on facebook as it is on steem block chain?

People talk about content discovery on SBC, but I have no difficulty finding things from different areas of the world, and with google translate, and many post being made in multiple languages, is that not one of the greatest strength of SBC? If I do a search for anything on google most results are American centric to me, I do not get results often from other countries unless I put the country name in the search.

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I think Youtube are very sensitive to controlling who can watch what where as they need to stay friendly with the media companies. If 3speak and dtube break the laws they could find local law enforcement on their door. It's a hard system to fight as the companies have paid politicians to fight their case.

I use Facebook where it is useful, i.e. to stay in touch with some friends and organise events. I don't look too much at stuff from abroad.

In the past many of my friends were active on the Steemit platform. but now they are leaving steemit. there are a variety of reasons they leave. One reason, they see a lot of posts on only accounts that have high steempower who get votes. whereas those who just joined are not appreciated. And I think this is unfair for users who don't have high power. I used to hope that this platform would develop and support every user.

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I keep saying the votes need to be distributed better. Those who just vote for their friends or maximum rewards do not help matters.

Great post.

I do think we need some big names come on Steem. Like a Jake Paul or Pew Di Pie. Those are just thrown off the top pf my head. There may be big names who are more suitable for our platform than those two.

But my point is we need to build the brand outward and upward and getting a few big YTers would NOT hurt.

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Pew Die Pie joined DLive, but I'm not sure how much good it did them. Any of these people with millions of followers could transform Steem, but do they want it to have a bigger audience first? I see more potential with those who have a few thousand followers and could do with earning something.

Very well summarised.

How about 'it's hard to make it not sound like a Ponzi scheme'.

There was some really interesting chat yesterday in the Witness Forum about the language sounding childish and/ or cultish too - Power Up and Witness for example....

The learning curve was also mentioned, although hopefully with Dapps this won't be such a big deal - as they develop, using Steem should hopefully become a bit more intuitive.

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It is hard to explain how people can get paid with no ads or anyone paying in. I tend to phase out when people start explaining the intricacies of Steem finance.

I have thought that the sites could pop up help for new users suggesting things they could do. Remember Microsoft Clippy? Of course it should be easy to turn off, but it is not always obvious what to do. We need some good user experience people on the project teams.

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I have talked about implementing gamification on STEEM front end quite a lot with close friends. Basically, make it feel exciting and vivid to use the blockchain. Sound effects, visual effects are often looked down upon by devs as “shallow eye candy,” but the look and feel of a system being pleasing is what matters to users. This is what is known as UX or User Experience.

If I were to develop anything to run a blockchain like STEEM, it would be treated like a video game, modular in build so it could run from top-of-the-line specs and VR all the way down to super-basic laptops. Basically a software approach instead of website, though the web client could be a gimped version of it.

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Perhaps you should get to building. :)

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Pop ups are a nice idea!

You summed it up nicely.

It is not easy to get going on Steem. It takes a long time, and a lot of patience to build a following. To spend hours on a post for a couple of cents. That just does not make economical sense. Quality posts do not guarantee a good return. After a couple of that, people will just give up.

I am still here because I am retired, and Steem gives me something to do. If I have a regular job, I would have left a long time ago.

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Having fun with Steem is important. I was earning a lot of money previously, but now it could be said to not be worth my time, but I enjoy the community and I made a lot of friends here.

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I agree with you that having fun on Steem is important. Otherwise, it would be a drag. 😊 I am happy to hear you made a lot of friends here. !trdo

I was having a good conversation with my brother in law about this the other day. We were mainly talking about Splinterlands and how they are supposed to have a mobile app out soon. He might actually get an account if that ends up happening. The barriers to entry are still way to high for common people and we are not going to see mass adoption until those are gone. I think Steem Keychain is a good step towards that.

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It looks like there could be more people playing the games than doing the social stuff. I think the games should make it simple to blog about battles and stuff and highlight good posts others are doing.

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Yeah, I would like to see a version of EOS Knights on the STEEM blockchain.

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I think the app is out today.

some good points here @steevc

There is a Witness Chat in The Ramble tomorrow and one of the topics of discussion will be a bit of a brainstorming session about new user experience as Steemit Inc is wanting to work on improving that situation.

Going to keep this post open to explore more thoroughly.
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Steemit have gone quiet again lately after talking up SMTs and communities. People want to see more signs they care about the platform. We keep waiting for them to do some marketing. Years are passing and other things will steal the show. I still see potential in Steem and I'll stick around because it's fun.

I think you've summed up the major issues people have pretty well but I say they can all be fixed except for the last one thats going to take some time to dilute stake as people sell into the demand and grow from the inflation.

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