Need suggestion To Make Steemit Alive For Long Term

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Request and Advice to all Bidding Bots to help steemit community:

In the fast growing steemit community and selling of thousands SBD votes per hour.

We should follow some rules in order to help the steemit community and work for the long term existence of the steemit reward pool .

If we are offering such high votes to every one who do not deserve the vote This way steemit life will end soon.And this way no one will get any benefits from the platform. We must think about the steemit success rather than our own success.

what i thought last night that If we should follow some rules here to make the steemit more secure and profitable for every one and give a chance to the new users as well we need to follow some rules and restriction.

The main problem these days are a trending page . Every one with a shit post is going to trending page.and it make a very Bad impression on steemit site.

What we need to follow As a good steemian?

  • We should place a limit on daily vote buying like one person will only be able to buy 20 SBD vote per post per voting bot {maximum}.( If no any better suggestion you want to give you can write in comment to this post).

  • If a Bot owner is 100% sure that there is some one who is the perfect author and he give quality stuff to steemit they can make a special list for those authors to allow them to buy an unlimited votes.But if they are 100% sure that the author is perfect one.

  • By placing a limit Like refund amount on post having max "X" amount Of "STU" ,No one will get a post value more than 200 STU . ( if our limit is 200 STU)

  • I found most of the users are using steepshot and they are just taking a single picture and make it to the trend page this should be blacklisted if some one noticed that they are posting low quality pictures .

  • We should make a discord group that we can communicate how we can serve any quality to the steemit rather than flagging each other and fight in posts and comments with each other.

All we need to help each other and help steemit community to get the better result for future.If we are harming the system it will end end soon and no one will be able to get life time secure income .

I have seen so much effort from the @berniesanders @transisto and many other steemians who are trying to flag trash post so they are wasting there steempower on flagging . So please i we all cooperate with each other we will help to build the community easily.

If we become a reason to harm the steemit blockchain who will get benefits, Our income will also be effected and others steemians who are working hard on there post will also be effected.

Self voting is not in our hand to control .Its Only Possible If steemit stop upvoting our own posts so that will be a solution .
The other one if we place limit on buying votes that will be a very positive way to help steemit reward pool .When Bidding Bot will not accept any post having a post value of Max @200 STU .

Suggestion From All experts

Its a request to All whales to not flag my post i am just investing on the post to get some thing positive to steemit and to let every bot owner know that we need to be unite and help each other and steemit community.

Every one knows that by investing the page i am not getting a high return from this post as well i will promote is only t let every one know what is our duty and how we will secure the steemit and i need each and every responsible person suggestion on this problem. if some one has better solution they can comment on the post .

  • Every one has right to think about the steemit success and i am also doing the same thing here . I know we need to make it secure to make steemit alive for long term .

  • its a request to give your positing opinion on this problem and lets share your own thoughts.

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Here's some suggestions for you:

  1. Proofread your posts before publishing them
  2. Spellcheck and grammar check them
  3. Start a curation group for new users
  4. Start a curation group around a certain niche
  5. Reach out to brands and ask them to sponsor you if you write in their niche
  6. Publish your Steemit posts off of Steemit to bring more people to the site and thus better content creators
  7. Try and recruit content creators from other sites to start submitting here as well
  8. Create a high quality piece of content and use bid bots to promote it
  9. Hold a writing contest where the winner is rewarded with 200 SBD worth of upvotes to get their post to the Trending page
  10. Reach out to high value SP accounts and ask them to join a Mega Curation Group
  11. Start your own resteem/upvote bot that only upvotes users who don't buy upvote bots
  12. Start a Discord chat that talks about how to make better content
  13. Reach out to a major publisher and submit high quality Steemit posts to them for consideration
  14. Reach out to local news publications and tell them to start building a presence on Steemit
  15. Go on Medium and try to poach high quality writers from there and ask them to republish their content on Steemit
  16. Email your favorite author and tell them to make/promote a post on Steemit about their next book
  17. Connect top Steemit contributors with major brands and act as a middleman to offer Steemit promotional services for high quality content/commercials
  18. Reach out to production studios and tell them to post their shows on dtube (if they own the rights to them)
  19. Send emails to art galleries and offer to help build their presence on the platform
  20. Start a music curation group that poaches artists from Spotify and offers to create a profile for them on Steemit so they can start advertising themselves here.

I literally just came up with these off the top of my head.

Upvote bots are not your problem. Creativity is your problem. Laziness is your problem. There is nothing stopping any of you from doing every single thing on that list.

You all have email accounts. You all have fingers for typing. You all have eyes for reading. You all have mouths for speaking.

You want to make Steemit better? Stop posting about muh upvote bots and how they're ruining your circle jerk. Get out there and actually do something to make the platform better.

Bring people here who can contribute something. Create a business that earns money from creating high quality content. Jesus fucking Christ people get your shit together.

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Pretty coherent list, I would also suggest inviting your friends to join steemit. However, DTube is probably what is going to really blow, just this morning I've read a news article in my feed about how traditional social media gives ground to Steem, DTube and others.
That speaks loads, as soon as the correction ends, we will probably see an explosion in value and size of steemit. Especially if something could be done with that pathetic excuse of a trending page. Personally I have hugh expectations for Communities that we are (hopefully) going to see soon.

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I shilled Steemit but to no avail. And the person who introduced me the Steemit is powering down.

I see a great idea failing and old accounts telling to work harder. That might have worked a year ago.

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Said it before:
The technology is great, but the challenges are figuring out a sustainable economic model that works.

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When I signed up in June last year, I got a $0.10 cents upvote every 20 comments. Nowadays I rarely get a penny vote.

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I noted that the values of upvotes have dropped to low. Also wrote about that:

https://steemit.com/steem/@krischik/seven-upvotes-and-no-payout

Including an update on the correlation between steem power and VEST. And I might even make another on that one.

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When they changed the voting to a linear model, they also changed the voting strength - before you could make 40 votes a day without losing too much power. Now it's just 10.

The few power voters who kept the site clean can't vote much any more (because of the 10 vote rule), and everyone else just self-votes. That's why voting in general has collapsed.

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That's very interesting, that explains a lot. When was the change made and what was used before?

Of course self voting only works if you are are at last minnow. Plankton votes are worth noting.

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Same here. And knowing a programming and math I figured out the actual problem: The linear correlation between steem power and VEST. I wrote about this here:

https://steemit.com/steemit/@krischik/answer-to-somebody-tried-to-tell-me-steem-is-dead

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Thank you for your service, let's work to get your ideas implemented. Have you talked with the dev team?

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No. I should really work out the details and make a post on in and put it up to discussion. But will anybody listen?

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We just have to figure out where to post it. I'm sure there's an official area for such things but since I'm one of those idiots who never reads any of the instruction manuals for anything and just figures it out with trial and error, I haven't discovered where we are supposed to submit those types of things yet, but my guess is that it is covered somewhere either in the FAQ section, Welcome section, or elsewhere on the list of links in the drop down steemit menu in the top right. Let me know if you find it!

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Downvoting was a mistake, wanted to Upvote.
Cheers

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So what do we do? are all old accounts set to a downward spiral. That's not good o hear.

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Basically a steemit YouTube. But I'm new to all this.

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Acho que esta plataforma tem tudo para ter sucesso... só precisamos de bons criadores de conteúdos. parabéns pelo artigo .

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I love how it was all nice at the start, then went all fuck you, you lazy wanker at the end. Brilliant !!

I'm new to all this, have no clue really. tried to use a bot once and didn't really get it, or any response from it. I've still got my learner plate on. Confusing stuff to an old fart.

Anyway !! I think I would prefer to be an Organic page. Though loosing momentum as I have put lots of posts on and don't think I am getting anywhere, but I do what I do for fun, so not overly bothered. I would still do it anyway. Tight Lines

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I have enroled you in steembasicincome, good luck keep posting.

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Hi. Had a look at that. Thanks can you explain it a bit further in dumb dumb terms lol
How do I delegate to it. ?

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you dont have to do a thing now, in a few days you will be a member and your posts will get upvotes from sbi5 or sbi6 - if you post daily they wont be much at all, if you post once a week it will give maybe a 4 cent upvote, it isnt much - but its for life and every little helps

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That's awesome thanks.

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I agree with you man!

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hi, i think we should take steemit just like we take our other buisness plans.Hard work ,Quality and skills find their place.

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Hey, man, welcome to Steemit! I relate to your sentiment. I have been here since early January (his year) and it feels like forever--but in a good way! Point is, there's a rather "steep learning curve," so to speak. Takes a while to really start to get the ball rolling. As far as bots: I just started to feel confident using them a couple weeks ago. If you are interested, I'd be happy to tell you my "method" on their use, and kind of a run down on what I've learned. There is so much on this platform to discover and do... Feel free to find me on Discord @gjones15 if you have any questions!

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LOL at your first sentence.

I'm new here as well. I feel like a new kid who's started at a funky high school that has the art classes she really wants, while trying to work out which of the kids are the ones that are putting fart bombs in the cafeteria and messing it up for everyone else. Who are the scammers and what's acceptable and what's selfish shit I don't want a part of. It's quite trippy.

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If you want the light to shine, you don't just complain about the darkness. You light a candle or turn on a flashlight or something.

If you want steemit to be a better place, CREATE better content and promote it!

yallapapi for president!

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hey friends,I agree with you

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Now this is exactly what we need. Steemit is about creativity and free speech. That should be our #1 priority. The power of good outweighs the negatives. Basically don't curse the dark, light a lamp instead. I mean with the exception of few instances, every time I see someone complain about reward pool or voting abuse, flags etc. They are all using bid-bots! That alone shows that bid-bots are resilient. on top of that people lose money when using bid-bots 99.99% of the time. Massive self-upvotes are a much bigger problem that should be fixed at the protocol level.

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oh, great one of few with positive sentiment, thank you. I see a great list of suggestions in the post here and you condensed it to the bare minimum to take some action! I tried these bid-bots as a curious fresh Steemian and can't understand the model from the user side.. it's gambling with your hard earned SBD.. a few "succeed" using timing but in the end get bad reputation (i was a bit angry about someone who used it excessively).. I thought exactly the same about your last point some time ago.

I did self-upvoting some time ago once for every post and stopped it completely, also the minnowbooster self-upvote even if i get under $1SBD for huge posts. I can understand people who are annoyed of the current state but don't wanna blame anybody because here are enough points to improve the situation.

But for me there was one great suggestion recently by i think @modernpastor who thinks of rewarding the true value of posts by an algorithm like YouTube use (reading time, calls) and create from this true trending posts. Use the power of such evaluation methods to reward enthused authors with great content!

One sad case was for me a scientist who wrote about his disappointment because he realized that no one was interested in his posts (good stuff from my point of view) and he left like many Steemit.. and not everyone has the persistence and strength to withstand the $30 upvote for a senseless strawberry cake photo without any narrative.. especially if you are a scientist with serious stuff 😉

Steemit can change that!

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But for me there was one great suggestion recently by i think @modernpastor who thinks of rewarding the true value of posts by an algorithm like YouTube use (reading time, calls) and create from this true trending posts. Use the power of such evaluation methods to reward enthused authors with great content!

Unfortunately this would defeat the purpose of holding VESTS (SP). Dolphins and above would sell off large parts of their SP. Some would actually prefer that kind of a system. But what would happen when people use software and servers to emulate views, watch time etc. It would create a quintessential "Nothing at Stake" scenario. It'd be an interesting idea to try out as an SMT and see how many would give up steemit for the new platform.

Here are some of my suggestions: https://steemit.com/news/@vimukthi/the-initial-token-distribution-problem-of-steem-and-dan-talking-about-steem-2-0-on-eos-telegram-q-and-a

https://busy.org/steem/@vimukthi/steem-improvement-proposal-a-different-kind-of-promotional-tool-to-help-gain-exposure-without-using-bid-bots

One sad case was for me a scientist who wrote about his disappointment because he realized that no one was interested in his posts

That's really sad. I think STEEM has some serious marketing problem. @ned and devs seems to be pushing the idea about earning money to the front. But what if you sell it as medium on blockchain where you could also get some rewards. You get ZERO from medium and most blogs and science forums. Reddit gets you nothing. So why not post you stuff on the blockchain.

But these devs are pushing the "make a living on STEEM". Just imagine if somebody starting a literature course pushing the narrative that you can be a world famous writer. It can happen but in most cases it won't happen. People would enroll with wrong expectations and become disappointed.

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It is quote a bit the wrong way. :)
Or maybe the word "rewards" spread a wrong meaning.

What I was talking about was not that the algorithm takes over the role of the different upvotes weights. No, I think this would be the wrong way. What I meant was that the algorithm could determine which post will get into the trending section. This would not destroy the purpose of holding SP. BUT the big weights of Upvote coming from bid bots or self-voting would no longer be the decisive factor or. People could also have high rewards but are not in the trending​ section.
Steemit has big Marketing problems not so Appics the first SMT. I think the team behind STEEM is not satisfied with the current status of the platform.

It would be funny if someone would create a new version of Steemit based on the SMT protocol :D

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What I meant was that the algorithm could determine which post will get into the trending section.

Now this is exactly what we need. Current trending page can be renamed into something different or we could have few new tabs named ""Most Voted" "Most Engaging" "Controversial" etc. STEEM doesn't need to change for this. It's a job for the front ends like steemit/busy. Maybe HiveMinds could deliver something similar (I Hope!)

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HAha, :D I like your expressions.
Oh yes, it's what I meant. Not STEEM but Steemit/busy.

HiveMinds? Never heard of them.

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This is the perfect recipe to succeed in Steemit. Make a post about this.

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So true!

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You brought in a great list and is more helpful than the post itself. There are lots of people these days talking about why bots are wrong, the trending page and blah blah.

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If the goal is elevating the truly better content. The fact that up-voting yourself is even possible indicates a structural design flaw. I imagine it to be the tip of an iceberg of problems that will continue to surface. I believe the goal stated to be paramount and the solving of the problem, the design of a system, to be the single most important task any community should tackle. The failure to bring the best to the top is systemic in our world and Trump is a shining example of how often the opposite of the goal is achieved. I concede he is the best at what he does, just not the best humanity has to offer. The system I describe has been my personal focus for some time. If anyone would like to collaborate with my team, let me know.

This is my first post on steemit and I know very little about it , as I only just heard of it on the radio, KPFA 94.1 Visionary Activist show. It's a great idea and shows great potential. I wonder if my design could be applied to it.
I do love the closing yallapapi ! but I've heard this before, here's an idea :
We let Jesus AND Christ off the cross, I think they've been fucked enough! wouldn't you agree? Maybe shit should be flowing down the pipe, do we need gather it together?
perhaps we need to let it go.
HA, Easy to say! Great advice but how bout when you're living in the midst of a firestorm, a hurricane, a nuclear tsunami, a school shooting, a Trump tweet storm or the shit storm that makes up life today?

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I do love the closing yallapapi ! but I've heard this before, here's an idea :
We let Jesus AND Christ off the cross, I think they've been fucked enough! wouldn't you agree? Maybe shit should be flowing down the pipe, do we need gather it together?
perhaps we need to let it go.
HA, Easy to say! Great advice but how bout when you're living in the midst of a firestorm, a hurricane, a nuclear tsunami, a school shooting, a Trump tweet storm or the shit storm that makes up life today?

English pls

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tl;dr It's Trump, Jesus and most importantly yallapapi's fault. :)

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Jesus fucking Christ people get your shit together.

Don't you get tired galloping around on that high horse of yours?

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Sweep the problem under the rug, no matter the discomfort of unevenness in our living room.

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Hi @yallapapi, I am a new writer on Steemit. The list you provided sounds like a great starting point and hopefully as I learn more about this platform I can follow these suggestions.
How do we find out who the major contributors to Steemit are?
Thanks.

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Tôi cũng mới tham gia vào, cũng chưa biết thao tác thế nào

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Hi @cuongbass,
What does that statement translate to in English?
@shortsegments
😊🌊🏝🥥

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The list is fairly good and would be very helpful. If it was not for the upvote bots who allow poor content to make it to the trending page and suffocate the good content. We might have reached the point that the flaws in Steemit can't be compensated with good work any more.

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Its very helpful for the steemit beginners. Thank u so much.

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Exactly, this is what I confronted @berniesanders about. People don't realize they're promoting bid bots when they're making posts about them, good or bad.

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I don't think the F-bombs and circle jerk comments were necessary. Everything else is pretty solid advice, but no one wants to hear your condescending discompassionate comments.

I don't think you are qualified to have such an elitist and condescending attitude considering your entire account seems to be nothing more than a meme generator. What value, exactly are YOU bringing to the table? Have you even done 3 of the 20 things you listed, yourself?

If we wanted more 4chan opprobrium we'd go to 4chan. Keep your comments friendly and constructive or stay in your own lane memelord.

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Lol ok grandma no problem.

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My bad brother, I didn't know you were new here. I checked your profile and it looks like you only started uploading posts yesterday. Not sure if you lurked for a while or what.

Regarding the list, I have already done several things on there. I am writing a series that teaches people to write more engaging content and market it. I like to think it's done in a colorful and entertaining way. The articles are very long and in my opinion, very high quality.

I also run a Discord group for people who are looking to improve their digital footprint and marketing skills. The vibe there is very positive and I have people approaching me several times a week asking how they can get more involved. I have plans to expand what I'm doing as well.

Even though few of my haters would admit it, what I am doing is good for this platform. It's easy to hate me because I'm very upfront about why I'm here. I want to promote myself. I also criticize a lot of people's writing ability, lack of creativity, their frightening sense of entitlement, and their low effort posts/comments. Those are controversial opinions and obviously not popular with everyone.

Am I the only one who's noticed an improvement in the Trending page in the past few weeks? Post quality is getting better because people have been made consciously aware several times that the Trending page was virtually unmonitored. Now the posts on there are much higher quality. Was it all because of me? Probably not. Did I influence it for the better because of my no-nonsense tone and entertaining style? Absolutely.

It's so easy to hate me. I know it is. You're not supposed to talk like I do. It doesn't respect the masks we all wear. But I personally think that people have too many options for reading something comforting. Everywhere you look is all this self-affirming bullshit about how you're a special person, how you're valuable no matter what, blah blah blah. It's total garbage that only serves to give you a temporary dose of comfort until the realization hits you that you really are worthless.

So I decided to be the other side of the coin and tell people that no, they aren't special. Their work is not the best it could be and it's obvious that they're not even trying. I know I don't say it in my posts so matter-of-factly. I just prefer to do it my way. It resonates with people. People go out of their way to seek me out and tell me how much they appreciate what I do.

Am I a bad person because I have a growing following of people who love the persona I've created on here? No. Everything I say is intended to make people take an honest look at themselves and ask them if their complaints are warranted or if they're just excuses to justify their own laziness. That's all.

And to be perfectly honest, I really don't feel that many people on here have the right to complain about how the platform works. I've been here a few months and rarely see an article that has perfect spelling, grammar, and is appropriately formatted with a few images and headers. Let alone written well.

Interesting topics? Rare. Sick of reading variations of, "Here's 10 reasons why Steemit is going to replace Facebook and YouTube in the next six months!" Yawn.

Where's the good shit? Where's the raw, bone-chilling, hardcore shit that actually gets people coming back? Everyone on here plays it too safe because they don't want to risk losing money via downvotes. My last post got fucked in the ass by some powerful accounts.

Why? Because I titled it REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE? Is that really a reason to take money out of my pocket? Did they even look at the post and see all the work I put into writing it, adding links, formatting, or creating a signature? Can they even fathom the amount of time it takes to write a 3000 word post that people willingly read until the end for pure enjoyment?

Does my contribution to the community in the form of #sharkschool - a series of posts that literally explain to people how to make the content on here more engaging - not matter?

What about the Discord I run where people are flocking to because they believe that I can help them make their lives better? Do none of those things matter?

It's all good though. Honestly, that's what pushes me to constantly improve. I want to be so good that people will say things like, "I don't agree with @yallapapi and think he's a total asshole, but he's an entertaining writer and I like reading his articles."

Fuck man, I put more thought into writing this comment than most people have put into all of their comments combined. I know that probably nobody will read this except for you though. Do I care? Not really. Because you have to understand that we're on the same side. We both want exposure. We're both fighting an uphill battle against people who have been here longer, have more connections here and who can bury both of us with flags just because they don't like us.

Today it's me. Why? Because I use upvote bots for my posts? So does everyone else. Why aren't their posts flagged? Why are no other posts on the Trending page flagged en masse except for mine? Can you really read anything I've written and promoted and honestly tell me that I don't deserve the exposure that I paid for because it's inferior to the rest of the content on this site? I find that hard to believe.

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That's what I like to hear man. Coherent, logical and well written. Followed.

If you're really looking for bone-chilling, hardcore shit that actually gets people coming back and isn't playing it safe, then we really are on the same side and we are both seeking to improve and expose the platform. I have only been here 2 days but I have been speaking about the need for decentralized social media for quite some time now on conventional channels both under the alias Another Hero and my real name Jordan Winslow.

I am a filmmmaker and music producer with 13 years of experience and I am open for video collaboration if you have some ideas you want to put together and collaborate toward a common good. You should read some of my blog posts. Don't worry, I will be going through yours as well.

The Another Hero movement is exactly what you are looking for. But you already ARE Another Hero if you truly are adhering to a set of moral guidelines and the benefit of the collective in mind, because that's what Another Hero is all about.

It is there, in the silence: in the stillness we feel on top of a mountain or deep within a forest, behind the inner monologue that pervades our daily lives.

It is in that stillness that, more than thinking, we KNOW something is coming. We can all feel the approaching climax. We try to ignore it with video games, movies, sports, sex, our careers… but in that stillness we know.

And I think that scares a lot of people to the point where they never want to be still because that means facing this feeling, this inherent responsibility we have to love one another, to see through our own biases and preconceptions so that for just one moment the doors to our perception are cleansed, as Aldous Huxley so eloquently described it.

Because we are living in an era of our own evolution and whether we “think” it or not we are at a crossroads and as a nation, no, as a global society, we are now faced with a decision:

Will we take control of our own lives, evolve and create a society where everyone can THRIVE rather than just SURVIVE?

or

Will we allow ourselves to be divided and conquered by a small minority of our population who happen to “own” the most resources?

You must feel it. I know you do. That is why you are here. You feel it just the same as I did: that something is happening, and that the version of the truth you have been presented and told to believe is a lie.

How many times have we caught our media, our journalists, who have the duty and responsibility to provide society with unbiased, unfiltered TRUTH, feeding us lies which are proven false later on?

See they are clever, oh there is no doubt this is an intelligent psychological game they have played on all of us. See they made us believe FACTS are the same thing as TRUTH. No no no… FACTS are what we are told to believe and TRUTH is what really is.

Have you heard of the “Truth Movement?” Why would we need such a thing if our media did their job?

But I know you feel it just as I do: people are suddenly talking about it, discussing it, people are realizing they are being lied to by politicians, by the media, by the corporations, by the government… and so some of us naturally go on to assume this is just some inherent flaw in humanity as a whole, that we are somehow born with greed in our hearts and the desire to be #1 even at the cost of those around us, that it is a “dog eat dog” world out there.

Well I’m not buying it.

I’ve seen it in the faces of children, I’ve seen it in the drug dealing father of 3, I’ve seen it in the gang members who will take a bullet for their family, I’ve seen it in a mother’s eyes, I’ve seen it in the kidney donor who gives a part of their body to help another person live. We are not born with greed or a sense of superiority to others. Children do not see differences as a threat, as an inconvenience, as a measure of self-worth. Children just want to be free, live, laugh and play with one another. We are not born this way.

So where did we go wrong?

From the Donald Trump loving, “Blue Lives Matter” flag flying suburban family with an RV and 3 story home to the burglar who breaks in and steals to feed their family, we are being manipulated, my brothers and sisters. We are being pitted against one another by families most of us don’t even know the names of. The oil empires. The Banking cartels. The .001% of the population who have used their wealth to manipulate our government, our legal system and even our military to push their agenda of constant accumulation of resources and power. There is no such thing as “enough,” to this small minority of people and they use strategy to acquire more and more land, more and more businesses, more and more politicians, and therefore more and more control over our legal system and our population. They are immune to federal law because they have such a massive stake in our economy that the leaders in our government are afraid to do anything about it for fear of public ridicule, losing their jobs and being the target of a massive propaganda campaign funded by the inordinate wealth of this .001% of the population.

Some of the most powerful names behind this manipulation we rarely hear discussed are the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Warburgs and Morgans. But if these are the richest people on the planet why do we never hear them discussed in mainstream media? Because the majority of the mainstream media is owned by them and their corporate conglomerates, and by dividing up their resources into countless investments they present the illusion that they have fewer resources than they actually do and go undocumented in most “Richest People” compilation lists.

Many people are lost when they hear this, many of us were never taught the importance of critical thinking and deductive reasoning, many of us were taught to obey authoritative figures and unquestioningly regurgitate their “Facts” and “Official Stories,” but it doesn’t take a genius to realize not everyone in life tells you the truth, and lying is a great way to deceive people, so why would we expect the businesses (media) owned by people who literally want to own every square foot of the globe to tell us what is really going on?

This is where the word “Conspiracy Theorist” pops up, undoubtedly this message will be met with mockery and opprobrium by those who blindly trust every official story and who cannot understand how business operates behind the scenes. I can understand why someone would deny the truth of this message because when you have never studied the rise of power of the largest businesses in the world, you don’t realize what sort of shady and seldom-legal events led to their status. As if there is no chance that the richest families in the world might actually meet together in secret and discuss how they are going to grow their power?

If you study these families as I have you will find that they use very aggressive business strategies to grow their wealth: you don’t create the world’s first oil monopoly by playing nice, you create it by bribery, subversion, manipulation, back-door deals and when all else fails: hiring a third-party to solve the problem with violence. If a politician doesn’t agree? Blackmail them. You want a law passed? Buy your way into our legal system by funding the political campaigns of people you believe will follow your orders once they are in office and use blackmail or bribery to keep them voting your way.

“It’s just business.”

It’s common sense once you understand this mantra which defines the ideology of the .001%. To them human lives are statistics on a sheet of paper. The environment is a property to be owned. The people are cattle to be herded. And if you read books written by these families, you will come to find they don’t even try to hide their contempt, openly comparing us to animals and seeing our country as a commodity or strategic asset rather than a collection of human beings with lives, feelings, ambitions who are suffering due to the acts of this small minority. After all, the goal of the .001% is to own everything of actual value, land, energy, food, tangible assets, while the rest of the population gets paper we call “money,” which is of no actual value other than what is assigned to it.

Put simply, their goal is to look down from a space shuttle, point at Earth and say “THAT is my portfolio.”

And so this leads me to my question to you:

What do you think the most efficient way to take control of a country is?

In “The Art of War”, Sun Tzu suggests we “Divide and Conquer.” Can you see this in our society?

Democrats vs Republicans

Liberals vs Conservatives

The Alt-Right vs Antifa

Black Lives Matter vs Blue Lives Matter

and of course the most divisive topic in the U.S. right now: For-Trump vs Anti-Trump.

Don’t you see? I know it is hard to accept but the FACTS we are told on the news and on social media are designed to target our FEAR and our BIASes toward others to pit us against one another and divide our nation so we can never unify and work together for a common good.

And that is why we must become Another Hero. None of us are strong enough to do it by ourselves but if even 100,000 of us become Another Hero we can take back control over our lives and I will tell you exactly how we are going to do it:

Expose

Educate

Hold Accountable

Expose the puppeteers who hide behind their companies, hide behind their politicians, hide behind their media, controlling society through their inordinate wealth. See right through the surface problem (corrupt government officials) and into the source of the problem (the funding and influence of the .001%) We make the whole world aware they exist and make the whole world aware of their influence and power.

Educate our brothers and sisters on the crimes of these .001% through their direct funding of war, bribery of politicians, violation and manipulation of our legal system and the fact they have never once seen jail time for their crimes against humanity.

Hold accountable the people who fund war, who bribe politicians, who infiltrate our government agencies which were originally designed to protect us against people like them, who manipulate our government with their control over the money supply. Hold accountable their pawns who willingly sold their brothers’ and sisters’ freedoms for a paycheck.

This can be, no, MUST be accomplished without violence. We must do it within our own legal system and if we can’t then we must change our legal system to allow us to hold criminals accountable for their deeds.

Further aiding this process will be our collective investment into sustainable energy and farming technology. Once we stop using oil and switch to tidal, solar, wind and other sustainable technologies we will have taken a significant portion of the control out of the hands of the .001%. The same for food: Once we move away from systemic-pesticide-based monolithic farming practices and start utilizing the power of aeroponics, diversified farming and computer automated greenhouses, we will have taken a significant portion of the control out of their hands.

Say I’m wrong and I ask you, even if I was wrong, why would you try to prevent me or anyone else from getting us off oil and onto more powerful and efficient sustainable energy sources, why would you try to prevent me or anyone else from creating massive diversified farms that do not require systemic pesticides (or genetically modified pesticides) to create high-yield but use technology and natural ecosystem cycles instead? And why would you try to prevent me or anyone else from investigating the money trail and determining once and for all the extent of funding of both sides of multiple wars / proxy wars and holding the financiers accountable for crimes against humanity?

Is it not a crime against humanity to fund both sides of an armed conflict? Is it not a crime against humanity to attack and destroy a nation’s economy for strategic business purposes? (look up economic hitmen, this isn’t fiction, this is real life stranger than fiction)

No one person is big enough so we will all become Another Hero and use our unique talents to make this future a reality: a future where we all THRIVE not just SURVIVE, where our skin color, bank account, gender, sexuality or nationality no longer acts as a barrier and force of separation but instead as a recognition of the beautiful and original viewpoints we contribute to the world.

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this is the best comment I read on steemit ever!
Love your Another Hero initiative.

And just so you know, or get some perspective, Croatia (Europe) my homeland is tiny - less than 4 million people. But still, every single thing you described here is the same.

Personally, the thing I was most shocked to find out, out of all those crimes you described here, was their goal to own ALL the land, food, resources and leave us with colorful papers we call money.

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Exactly, the goal is to take everything of REAL value and leave us with useless fiat currency. That is why blockchain and crypto is so important. This is the nonviolent revolution the world was waiting for!

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No. I don’t give a shit about the rest of the world. I’m here for myself and any extraneous benefit to steemit is coincidental. If there was no benefit to me for what I do then I wouldn’t do it. Definitely not for the good of humanity.

Same with your little program as well. You are doing it for yourself. Not to make th world a better place, but for personal power and selfish gain. You try to make it sound like you’re this good citizen doing it for everyone else but that’s total bullshit. It’s a power grab and an attempt to identify people who believe in that kind of thing to recruit them to your team. It’s all for you. Any “benefit” to other people is coincidental.

That is why I get flak on here. Because I point out that we are on steemit for personal gain. I am just open about it. I call people out on their alleged “I’m doing it for the community” garbage when they do nothing but complain and talk about what “should” happen then go back to doing nothing.

Also copying and pasting your post into a comment is lame.

Pasting your post into a comment is lame. Sorry not sorry

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Nah man. The difference between you and me is you want to be a boss and I want to be a leader.

I even opened with "hey, want to collaborate?" if you forget.

It's kinda sick that you claim to feel that way about only doing it for yourself. Maybe you have just become so detached and disillusioned by the suffering in the world that you lost perspective and you mistake the actions of .001% of the population for a problem with human beings in general. I don't know what your personal ideology is, but I am nothing like what you described.

I copied my original mission statement and shared it with you because I was genuinely inspired by your lengthy comment on my post. And then you shit on it, so good job at jumping to conclusions. I wrote a fucking novel for you about the sumerian tablets, literally from scratch and posted it to YOUR thread before I even had the idea of posting it on my profile and you shit on this instead of looking at that.

I must be seeing something you can't see, because I understand that by helping others I help myself, and you haven't reached the stage in your enlightenment yet where you realize that.

You get value, you get benefit, you GAIN from helping others. So when you say "you're just in it for yourself" you are incapable of seeing the big picture. I am helping myself by making my goal to help improve everyone else's lives. By helping homeless people off the streets, I am happier. By helping feed people I am happier. By providing energy I am happier. By educating I am happier, because all those people have better lives now and I am inseperably connected to every single person on this planet both by genetics and by metaphysical constructs you probably haven't conceived of yet so I won't even bother to describe.

I'm on here to get a fucking voice so I can change the fucking world and stop self-serving little pricks from walking all over everyone else because they have such tiny brains that they were brainwashed into believing that "dog eat dog" religious propaganda about how everyone is just out for themselves, well surprise bitch I'm going to change the fucking world whether you, or anyone else believes it or not and whether I have your support or not.

I truly hope for your family and friends that you did not really mean what you said because that sucks for them and anyone else you have to step on to get to the top of that ladder you're trying to climb.
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I found out a long time ago that success isn't about rising above everyone else. It's about raising EVERYONE up so we can all party together and have a fucking blast like life is SUPPOSED to be.

Life is a lot better when you're surrounded with happy people who can THRIVE rather than just SURVIVE. I have perspective. You have narrow parochial focus. You need to zoom the fuck out and look at the big picture. The world is ran by evil fucking men who say shit just like what you just said about how "we are all inherently just out for ourselves."

Maybe 5% of the population believes that garbage, everyone else is a victim of a corrupt system RAN by people with that kind of mentality and I'm here to sweep that shit right out from under them. I am going to develop my voice on this platform and all over the internet and I am going to make people see that I am a fucking LEADER, not some asshole who measures his success on how many people are holding him up.

I am going to have a voice people give a shit about one day, and I am going to educate and invest in public works to end hunger, homelessness and provide energy for all who need it, and I already have a blueprint and step by step plan I am going to take to get there. The only question is WHEN. But mark my words, one day, whether it's called "another hero" or the "vertical aeroponics greenhouse skyscraper project" I will help make this world a better place then when I was born into it, and I will spend every last breath I have educating others on the tyranny of the .0001% of the population who view us like a product or commodity to be expended and utilized in strategic resource acquisition.

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I'm planning to do this soon

Reach out to production studios and tell them to post their shows on dtube (if they own the rights to them)

You're a wise man. i wish God brings more 1000 people like you on steemit. You just won my vote.

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Nice suggestions. I will follow.

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I’m in love with this comment ❤️ gave me a good laugh, also solid points. Much love

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I'd say yallapapi for president but he is obviously not interested, this dude made a piece abt the problem, he promoted it with his money and he was polite all through the piece. We all know that alot of the people on Steemit have failed in society and that is why Steemit is so crowded.

If you have nothing to say that will promote the interest of this community then go back to whatever you were doing. Steemit is a community so one man cant do all the stuff u wrote on your crazy list.

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Anyone can do anything on that list with only an email account. None of you have tried. That’s the pathetic part. You all whine and complain that things are no good yet never do anything. Even the OP only asked for suggestions instead of being proactive and doing something to actually make the site better.

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He says, whining and complaining. You're no different than anyone else, except you have your own little fan club of pseudoskeptics playing follow the leader. Get back to us when you've actually followed any of the advice you just gave.

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lol bro I make posts about improving your writing/marketing skills. And I run a discord server. As I promote my posts off steemit. Plus I’m not the OP who allegedly gives a shit about the platform. Everyone seems to care so much but nobody does shit except complain and say, “someone should do something!” Lame. Just do something.

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solid stuff. just solid.

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This is some great point i hope you will get response on these great points .

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yes bro,I agree with you

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i love to being part of your community,,,, yeeeeehhhhhh.....

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thank you for share

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Inviting friends really do help a lot

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Also you can create a Steemit app, if you already have then i couldnt find it.

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Wow, amazing answer.

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I would also suggest following everybody you come in contact with through the comments too

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why everyday we see 10 such similar posts?

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My question as well?

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Well some cannot think of new topics everyday, so they write about whatever is trending on steemit, and yeas pay big buck to bots..

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You seem a little angry, bruh lol I did learn a bit though. I'm new, and trying to figure this stuff out.

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I was so happy to see this comment in the top of the comments, you simply revealed the true problems AND solutions here! I guess we all should work more for the future of Steem, after all, we are part of it right now!

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Learned, as a newcomer, there are many places to learn, thank you for the efforts made by our seniors for us.

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To bad comments can't be resteemed...

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You nailed it! Why blame the bot when all we need to do is create quality post and the rest will follow.

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This comment has received a 7.15 % upvote from @booster thanks to: @yallapapi.

@buildawhale has a max SBD cap, we do not allow dmania or steepshot because of the low effort, low quality, and high plagiarism, we also have a blacklist of around 1,200 users who plagiarize, spam, fraud, scam, and it is very actively growing on a daily basis.

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You are the witness i really love on steemit all the work from you i appreciate always . you are working hard for steemit community if all think like you will get so much positive things thanks brother for positive response .@themarkymark

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I tend to think that they never want to entertain laziness. If anyone wants to get paid, they will have to expend some effort.

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Upvoted for the profile picture :-)

browncoat till I die

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Yeah, it really all starts with the bid bots. You can't really expect a post-by-post evaluation because it would be too work intensive. You also can't expect anything to happen by restricting certain users to an SBD limit, because all people would have to do to abuse the system is make multiple accounts. Owners of bid bots targeting low hanging fruit to mitigate the spam problem is really the best course of action at this point. I appreciate you doing that with your bot.

Yes. We need to work for steemit alive for long term. Thanks for your suggestion.

Bidding bots somehow plays an important role in steemit community if it is used correctly but some or I may say many of our fellow steemians abused it and use bots to gain $$$ without considering a worth reading article. I think its hightime to come-up a black-n-white rules for the bidding bots to wipe-out those abusers.

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how to avoid breaking the rules in steemit

You could ask people like some of the infamous flaggers to target some of the crappy posts on the trending page. You could also undelegate to the bots and do some manual curation yourself.

so what would make your post that much more worthy than any other to merit a 400 dollar value?

your proposal is to put a 200 cap on posts and to get that message throug you make a 400 dollar post? that seems a bit hypocritical to me...

you wrote a small post, gave an opinion and upvoted it to the moon... why should you get more then the 20 you propose? just because you are talking about a specific subject???
You are even asking bot owners not to flag you so I assume that in your mind you think you are doing something wrong?

If a Bot owner is 100% sure that there is some one who is the perfect author and he give quality stuff to steemit they can make a special list for those authors to allow them to buy an unlimited votes.But if they are 100% sure that the author is perfect one.

by the way that is exactly what smartsteem is doing

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I am not interested to face a loss by getting flag to bring my post to trend page i am not posting any thing from last month . why i invest on this post to bring it to trend to send my message to all bidding bots owners . and to bring a unity in the community . even i know i will get flags . but what is the reason i am getting flag its looks like a well planned game . even i think about the benefit of steemit still i am facing this shitty flags .

Suggestion: Have some way to allow mass entry of participants on to steemit. Similar to how FB or twitter or any other social network that has millions of subscribers.

The issues of spam and garbage post will need to be worked on but the more users the more use of the platform. Thanks!

No bidding bots!

Biggest problem I see is no rewards on post over 7 days. Those post should continue to make money no matter how old there are. How are you going to get members to think long term platform and quality post when after 7 days they don't get paid for their post anymore. Seems very short term... Might be why everyone up votes their post and comments considering you only have 7 days to make money on them and then the chance is gone. With so many new people joining the platform why shouldn't you get paid for 80k new members viewing your quality product that were not there the month before. Think of how much content that has been posted here over the last year that is quality and not earning. I think you would see less people come here and then be gone if 2 months later if they were still earning on those older post. Long term thinking for the platform would mean long term for the members also which would mean long term earning on quality post that will continue to earn and pay out for new up
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Great thought. I agree with you 100%. The content creators should continue getting royalties for their original work.
That way people would be willing to put more thought and effort towards creation of high quality content.

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Agree, some posts are still usefull even when a year old while others get old very quickly. It should be determined by users not some arbitrary date.

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Well they could at lest allow you to promote your older post and then give you another 7 day pay out period and that way steemit will be getting the money from promoting and you get the new views and up votes.

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Originally, rewards were distributed in two stages: after 24 hours and after 30 days. But in practice, there were few votes after a couple of days.

Older posts should still help you get new followers.

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That sounds good but the platform changes often with all the new members coming you may have posted something a year ago that only 40k members could have seen that now can be pushed to 10 times that. You should at lest be able to promote old article you have written. Everyone wants the platform to change and not be so short term everyone just trying to make a quick buck but how are you going to get anyone to care about long term when long term is 7 days since that is the extent of your article earnings that is why people don't worry about long term and only up vote their own comments they make daily to the max. This is why I can't get real bloggers to come spend their time here because their blogs are making money consistently so they spend their time there. I like the platform but it has problems with only being short term that is why half the accounts I go threw and look at have not posted in over 8 months and if your going to make quality content you can make more money blogging on your own so this has turned into a post pictures content and bid bots.

Great post 👍

First of all please visit my steemit page. I am making high quality content, but It’s not getting enough views, upvotes or resteems that such quality content deserves.

Please help me, promote my content. I am already very disappointed with the low level of response on my posts, and I can not continue to waste my time and efforts creating quality content, for nothing in return.

Now comes to the problem, I have following suggestions:

  1. First of all Steemit needs to eliminate multiple accounts. They should allow only one account per person.

  2. Low quality content (1 photograph etc) in Trending, should be flagged are reported.

  3. I agree with your suggestion of putting limit on the bidding bots.

  4. Steemit should improve searchability. The tags are not enough to search all posts related to what you are interested in. I think the entire content of the posts should be scanned for matching the search words or phrases.

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Low quality content (1 photograph etc) in Trending, should be flagged are reported.

Low quality posts on trending are flagged.

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For searchability, have you tried using the actual search feature? If you haven't noticed it, it's the looking-glass icon on the upper right. It's powered by Google, and it will find words in the body of the text. What's missing is search results being sorted by newest first. And the most recent posts aren't indexed by Google yet.

Since you brought it up, I took a quick look at your 'high-quality content'. Sorry Aisha, it's OK, but nothing special. Nice pictures, some superficial opinions that might be considered original to a Western audience. Nothing that millions of other people couldn't create.

You're not going to get discovered without promoting yourself. I'm glad regular people are posting here, not just artists and intellectuals. It's good for the general atmosphere of the site. You could be popular if you promoted a charity or organized a local Steemit meetup, for example. Just don't expect to be richly rewarded for posting pictures of bikes or henna tattoos. Please take advantage of @yallapapi's advice in his comment here and in his posts.

And by promoting yourself I don't mean upvoting your own comment. That's considered a faux pas here, unlike upvoting your own post. You might disagree, but that's a convention which grew naturally. I'd consider upvoting your own comments worse than paying for vote bots.

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Everyone has different interests and preferences. Perhaps what you are posting gets no interest or appreciation from someone like me. Similarly, If you don’t like bikes or henna it doesn’t mean my content is average quality.

So It’s better not to be subjective and biased against each other. It’s better to stay objective.

I said my content is of high quality in objective terms comparing it to the content on Steemit trending page, where a normal chocolate cake recipe on trending page gets $350, and a picture of fake followers (without any information) gets $165 on Steemit trending.

It seems you only saw the pictures and nothing else on my posts. I didn’t just post pictures of bikes and henna tattoo.

I actually photographed, filmed and interviewed owners of rare bikes, and then edited the video, wrote about it and posted pictures. All this work went into my last post. In a TV Chanel, this work requires one day of three people (reporter, cameraman and editor)

I provided full step by step instructions for making henna tattoo, for someone who has no idea of what it is. Not just posted the pictures of henna tattoo, as you said.

I have written philosophical economic poetry on investing in Cryptocurrency market, and wrote it in 3 languages in one post on Steemit to receive $4 on it ( that too after paying bot)

So you bought upvotes for a post complaining about upvotes?

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He sure did.

My first venture into Trending of the day, and I find that this is what we have on display for potential investors and content creators.

Sad times.

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Out of all the shit on the trending page, somehow this post is problematic...

I hope you're not suggesting that we should hide the ugly side from the potential investors and content creators, take their money and creative work, and let them find out for themselves about the issues this post rises.

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Yes that's EXACTLY what I am suggesting. You read my mind completely.

If you want to converse with me in a way that we can both benefit, you are going to have to be a bit more polite.

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Point taken.

I'm sorry, but it is unfair to characterize the @alishannoor 's attempt to find a solution to the problem that's dividing this community in a way you did. As far as I know, his intentions are sincere.

Also, we shouldn't shy away from the things that are happening here.

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This is much better.

Well my first issue is the fact he has 2 errors in the of the title of the post. This is not a great advert off the bat for anyone looking in here - Outsiders are defaulted to Trending, and will not be aware the the post has been boosted by bids bought by the owner.

Secondly, is the irony in his worry for the reward pool and future of steem/steemit, whilst sending close to 400$ to an array of bid-bots to advertise the post.

If there was genuine concern and understanding of what's happening here, then this is certainly not the right way to go about it.


https://steemit.com/steemit/@abh12345/what-would-steemit-look-like-if-everyone-chose-to-delegate-their-stake-to-a-bid-bot

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You're right, it is ironic to use the bots to complain about their effect on the reward pool, but what's the alternative way to fire a shot across the bow on this platform?

And yes, it was a clumsy attempt (2 errors,...), but I don't see any malice in his post, on the contrary.

(edited to match :-)

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Sorry, I understood what you meant and then edited the reply, and so your reply doesn't quite match :)

So yeah, if you check my profile over the past month, you'll see my posts regarding the bots and understand where i am coming from.

Edit: And yes, no real malice in the post text - and no real malice in my initial comment :)

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i am not doing any activity on my account from last so many weeks i already said that i will invest on the post to let every one know about this if i donot invest how i will let every one know ? even this investment will not give me a profit. thanks @viraldrome

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What are you talking about, man? He lacks a bit of coherence in his words, not to say much. How can you talk about the configuration of Bot Bits when your publication has more than $ 700? Why did not he pay $ 20 bots? Yes, because nobody will see you, right? That is an excuse. Not to mention the fact that the publication sucks, with the pardon of the word.

Do not you care what people think of you when they enter your profile and see a $ 200 publication, where they post images of your Parrot? And you complain that people use Steepshot to take a picture and get fashionable. The coherence is still missing.

this investment will not give me any benefit.

Who can believe this? Only new on the platform, perhaps now does not offer any benefit because it has been marked but not as it should be. Stay AFK on the platform. It's even better

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@osmerj brother if you see i stop activity on steemit from more than 2 month if you see that care fully if i donot have a good post i am not harming the site with this thanks hope you see that i have n ot done activity from long time thanks

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No he bought upvotes for a post complaining about other people buying upvotes.. :)

This is indeed a post that does not belong on trending. Flagged for low-quality use of too many voting bots.

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@whatsup as you know by investing that much i already am lossing the money on this post . and flag will make me more loss . i only invest to send this important message to support steemit blockchain . but no matter how you people think about this shit. and what is in your mind . about this thing. are you have no mind at all . i am not interested to make my self a big loss by making this post to trend page . here no one will give an upvote all are buddy selfish fuckers . so don't blame my post i am not on to trend page i just need to send my message only .

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If English isn't your first language, maybe you should get someone to proofread for you or at least a grammar tool, I am not a stickler for every mistake, but I have difficulty even figuring out what you are trying to say. If this post is a loss for you, that is the risk one takes when using the bid bots.

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i am not giving a grammar paper i just want to say that we need to make some restriction to bot users that we should not sell the vote more than 20 SBD and also we should refund post who has X value of amount in STU .

Definite irony when you buy so many votes yourself. I hope that paid votes will be excluded from the trending rankings. They can go on Promoted as that is what they are.

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this is a great idea.. Your right the Promoted page is where upvoted post belong..

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@steevc i am agree with you . how we can contact the steemit community in this flag war neither NED is giving any response nor any other user so it means that its not harming the community and those who are flagging the post might be steemit community members to reduce people earning . so much confusion in my mind about steemit now .

First thing I would do, (If I had the power to make a change) is to remove the trending page as the landing page for new visitors to the site and replace it with a new one showing the best of what steemit has to offer. Maybe it could be curated by a respected group like @curie.
I hear many of the trenders saying that they are paying to get to the trending page for exposure and that is understandable but, Would it not be better to get to a curated page by producing quality content.
This Would give all steemians a chance of being read and also help to reign in the Bitbots without having to make major changes to how the system works.
Would love to hear other peoples thoughts on this.

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I also like this idea!

Some ideas:

  • Limit the total amount of SP that can be delegated by an account to some percentage (10, 25, 30%)
  • Reduce the value of delegated SP in some way (1/2, 1/3, 1/20, etc)
  • Improve the discovery capabilities in Steemit.
  • Adjust the payout duration to reward longer lasting content instead of just more ephemeral content.
  • Compare and contrast why 'Promoted' posts seem less effective than more complicated vote bots.
  • Adjust the Promoted page to improve discovery and surfacing of promoted posts
  • Build out new features that mimic the community-building capabilities that causes people to drift to Discord rooms.
  • Adjust payouts to better reward minnows. In many ways, the concept of a few whales acting as gatekeepers to content is pretty antithetical to Steemit's ideals. The core idea from my perspective is that hard-working and solid content creators can find the long-tail audience that supports them without the need for a dolphin or a whale to throw them an upvote or for them to buy their way into discovery.

I like your suggestions. But, these restrictions will mean a restriction of decentralization.

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Decentralized and uncensored

If we want to keep these two things alive and well here, trust in the people. Allow for true democracy.

Educate people

If we focus on educating people and creating a culture that supports the things that the community support, then all will work out accurately.

Once we start limiting and restricting things, this site becomes just like all others.

Educate ve

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"true democracy"

democracy and capital are incompatible lmao

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Not only are they incompatible, they cause tons of antagonistic contradictions between the two of them that both try to annihilate the other. Capitalism bastardizing democracy into a mere ritual of the people for people to think they can regulate capital; but truly the ruling class using it as a means to see which faction of their class wins out for a time being and to dupe the masses of real change. Democracy In-Itself will recognize the futility of keeping an acidifying agent even when hampering the majority of its influences that it will supersede Capitalism for a new social order and gradually, through many hardships, exercise the toxicity of the old social order for as long as they continue to have existence in the new social order.

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I beleive that democracy and capitalism are tools or philosophies that can easily benefit each other.

Real unsubsidized capitalism is democracy in action. What the people want succeeds. The people vote with their time and money.

Things get wankie when capitalism is subsidized and democracy is really a republic or oligarchy

And in the end these are just labels of how to relate to things.

These are not long term solutions because they require the collaboration of the whole community which is almost impossible/ will become impossible.

Here is a comment I wrote under a post of Steem's longterm value by @cryptovestor which addresses the same topic.

As a student who develops bots for Steemit I deeply believe in the long term value of Steem. However, Steemit may be doomed to fail...

We haven't seen much development on Steemit in the last months and the content quality in Hot or Trending is at an all time low. Most social media sites have a "recommended" page that accurately suggests good content.

But we do not have any other way of finding new content besides Hot or Trending. A lot of top ranking witnesses run their own bid based voting bots and therefore I think we can agree that these bots won't disappear over night....

The only other option to find good content is to develop a "recommended" page and I'm almost certain that that will happen. With better content this new site will quickly replace Steemit especially for new users who are just here for reading good content and not for earning money.

Please point out any flaws in my theory!

@wil1liam

The bid-bots wouldn't work if ordinary users didn't upvote stuff that reached the trending page. Just saying.

As long as money will have definite impact on steemit nothing will change

My suggestion is to limit the use of voting bots. Users who have bad reputation and users with high SP power above 5000 SP should not use voting bots. That way only Minnows can benefit from the voting bots, because Dolphins and Whales will end up anyway on the trending page.
Voting bots are made to support Minnows and make their posts visible.

Another suggestion is to push all the promoted posts whether by Steemit or voting bots to the "Promoted" section. That way the "Trending" section will stay clean all the time :)

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Dolphins and Whales will end up anyway on the trending page.

This is not true. I have 9k SP and I get 2-10$ per post (If I don't use bots).

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Thing is @hanen how do you stop someone from using a bot? As far as the steem platform goes it does not know if someone is buying a vote. It could detect if money was sent to the account with a link to the post but then they would take the buying of votes off platform.

I guess we could use human intervention along with an algorithm to sort out likely bots like we do with spam. That is, flag the accounts that are known bots.

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@petervroom You can know if anybody using voting bots by checking the voters list. There you find always the names of the voting bots on the top.
Flagging bots will cause another big war that wont end. With the time more people will be involved and bots will defend themselves too. Thats the problem!

@fbslo The 5000 SP was just an example. It can be more than that, depends on the platforms decision. But believe me it will make a big change here.

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Thing is bots are here to stay in the modern world. Whether it's a bot making a car that takes a job away or a poker bot or a world of warcraft bot. So how can we learn to coexist with them like we have learned to do with each other as humans in civilized society?

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@ petervroom Actually i dont have any problems with bots. I use them sometimes and find them very helpful. But what I dont like about bots is upvoting comments, because it doesnt make any sense. Also upvoting DMania posts, because some of the users are not posting original content.
So dont misunderstand me, I dont have any problems with bots, but there are some big guys here who have problems with them for the right reasons :)

It is difficult for bots to check every post before upvoting it and every user has the right to use them, but for the right post.

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Wow this is what we are looking for . i really like your suggestion dear . we need such positive suggestion to make the steemit community better and secure and clean . @ned we need you to look for this suggestion please . to solve the current problems

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Thank you :) I wrote also a post yesterday regarding this problem, but as you know Minnows posts are always invisible :(

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I like your suggestion; the SP>5000 issue is it would incentivize people with high steem power to power down so they can keep using voting bots. However, I do think bot owners should add additional coding in their bot to filter out low reputation scores. The Trending page should be updated to not only pull upvotes and reward but should also account for reputation of the author and flags.

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@danvillani You got a good point, as everybody is looking for benefits they will do everything possible :) You are right, bot owners have to change many things. Also remove the option of upvoting comments, because it doesnt make any sense.

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filter out low reputation scores.

to make it even more difficult for plankton to start who start with reputation of a mere 25? But then plankton don't have enough steem dollar to buy vote bots anyway so it might not be that much of a difference.

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Another suggestion is to push all the promoted posts whether by Steemit or voting bots to the "Promoted" section. That way the "Trending" section will stay clean all the time :)

This is something I think may work the best. We publicly acknowledged that the bots are a legit marketing tool and remove the stigma from using them

One problem I see with the first proposal though (5k SP limit) is that big accounts would just create a bunch of proxy accounts with the SP under the limit, and that way circumvent the restriction.

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Yes you are right. They will find solutions to use bots. But promoted posts should be in the promoted section, because thats where they belong.

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You are aware that the lowest group on Steemit is plankton and we need to incentivise plankton to stay and not abandon there accounts after a month.

If you are a Minnow you already made it. This was probably different a year ago. It might have been easier then to rise the Minnow then but right now it seems almost impossible.

Apart from that I had a similar idea using a inverse exponential relation between steem power and VEST. VEST is what makes your votes powerful and right now there is a linear connection between VEST and steem power and I think that was a mistake.

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Oh i wasnt aware of that. Well I am here for nearly 6 months now, but feel a lot of change in the platform. Many inactive users. It wasnt like this when I joined in the first weeks, but I still have hope that everything will be better in the next months.

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You can see the level on the Board of honour:

http://steemitboard.com/board.html?user=krischik
http://steemitboard.com/board.html?user=hanen

and on Busy:

https://busy.org/@krischik
https://busy.org/@hanen

And congratulations on making minnow in 6 month. That is an achievement.

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Oh thats great. Thank you for the information :)

I do not claim to understand the ins and outs of bot usage, however I do know that a post is live for 7 days. If a daily limit is set, what stops them using the bot on the very next day or 7 consecutive days? will the results be any different?

Disagreement on rewards

What if:

  1. we had a random possible occurring SP maintenance fee for accounts on a regular basis (like 1 SP monthly) to disincentivise multiple accounts (Steem burned, like Promoted posts burn SBD) that maybe only sometimes affects accounts that have voted in the time period (that month) & perhaps the maintenance fee doesn't apply to accounts that meet a random reason (using an algorithm with an unguessable randomness that changes each month) like below 100 SP 1 month and even or odd SP balance another month (to prevent gaming the system) + always if you're under a certain SP like 25SP to prevent bankrupting accounts?
  2. A “Random Selection” page along with Trending/New etc that selects posts from accounts according to an algorithm (randomized)? This way the bot-users don't go crazy with a million bots and minnow posts can show up and have a chance to be voted onto the Trending page.

The result would be that you can use bots, but it might result in you losing more than gaining. Minnows could make the Trending page. Plus, it's fair and random so it doesn't unfairly punish and if you have idle accounts then they are unaffected. People would have to try hard to put out good content because if they put out junk, then they wouldn't be upvoted and they would be subjected to stagnation at the low threshold of 25SP (for example) until they learned to improve their posts. ? Just an idea. What do you all think?

Upvoted & following you!

Le sentiment de ne pas être aimé est la plus grande des pauvretés. - Mère Teresa

@cleverbot

How to defeat the trolls flaggers

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Yeah... it's the other way around: YOU are the computer and I am not.

Best idea to sharing this good project .

Steemit is currently a circle jerk society among wealthy comedians. Why the fuck so serious my friend? Just do what the fuck you want! After all, circle jerk is the law, circle jerk under the shit.

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you have a point .

Get rid of ALL the voting bots. In that way the true creators gets the most honest votes and attention. I get so angry when I see these crappy posts in the trending page and in the same time my work gets cents in payout.
Finish the bots once and for all!!!!!!!

i totally agree with you @alishannoor.
Nowadays everyone is running to the trending page along with their article to paste it,because maximum of the high reputated and successful steemian always used to check the trending page,and as a result high reputated and steem user's holding with sbd's are getting their success through and also holding the capacity to take their post to paste it in the trending page which is quite disappointing for all the new user's as a result high are getting more high and high and low are getting more low and low.And to keep steemit community and all new user's alive there should be a limit on vote buying which will be equally benefit both the new and old user' of steemit.Thank you for such a wonderful post and the common problem which we all new user's facing today.

I hope this picture will look good. If you like it, please vote. Opinion vote is valuable for me.thanks bro......

This is what we call awesome post so inspiring.
I think with this some persons will make amends
Thanks @alishannor you have awakened some sleeping dogs
Resteemed for more people to see

Re the below quote. We have no way of knowing if someone is buying votes as they can do that off chain.

"We should place a limit on daily vote buying like one person will only be able to buy 20 SBD vote per post per voting bot {maximum}.( If no any better suggestion you want to give you can write in comment to this post)."

Hello everyone, I'm new here, pls what's the difference between Power up 100% and Default 50/50%.... I'm confused right now

Thanks for your suggestion. It's very helpful all of us.

That's good idea I also want to join this

I have read your post.I know a lot from here.Thanks for your sharing.

Thank you so much for talking.
I love you very much.
If there is time, my account will be able to revisit

https://steemit.com/lock/@aminaaktermitu/lock-unlock-the-phone-with-your-look

its a request to give your positing opinion on this problem and lets

You got a 47.36% upvote from @postpromoter courtesy of @alishannoor!

Want to promote your posts too? Check out the Steem Bot Tracker website for more info. If you would like to support the development of @postpromoter and the bot tracker please vote for @yabapmatt for witness!

Ohh its really usefull post thank you @alishanoor for sharing this post and your most post are awesome 👍😊

Hi @alishannor, I am new to Steemit and I appreciate what I think is the spirit and intent of your post, along with the information about several things in this “space” I don’t yet understand. Additionally your post generated a lively and informative discussion. I think this exchange of ideas is very valuable. Thank you

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One way to solve the problem would be for everyone who is anti-bot to combine their SP into a bot that downvotes paid bots. People would soon stop paying for them when organic posts proform better. lol A bot-based cyber war.

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another way is just to ignore them.
Mute them when encountered.
that's what I do.

Thank you my friend for this post. It's the one I've wanted to write, but have not had the time to

We should place a limit on daily vote buying like one person will only be able to buy 20 SBD vote per post per voting bot {maximum}.( If no any better suggestion you want to give you can write in comment to this post).

I also support this though Somewhere inside me I believe that consistently posting quality content, and being a decent human being in my interactions with others will have some kind of long term for the platform. Maybe I'm fooling myself, but for the time being I'm believing it.

Anyway i agree I agree with your Post but its disappointing. I am worried for its future

I saw people here are selfish by self voting themselves because they have high SP and thi swill destroy steemit in the future.

Reduce bots

We need to assign Moderators or Admins and not bots.
Because bot has no brain like human does.

Hello, My suggestion is to limit the use of voting bots

I love this platform and the freedom on it but it needs some changes.
I think that organization of posts should be organized in a different way.
Also I've seen some posts which are viewed 15 times and they have 200 votes. I mean 185 didn't even open the post.
These things must be addressed otherwise this platform will cease to exist.

Nice point well noted.

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Its Good Suggestion, i would love to follow this suggestion.
Thanks for shareing with us all of your positive thought.
Thank You soo much

Good post :) invite to me :)

greatful for you

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need some vote for this pictureIMG_20180410_170151.jpg

Yeah some things should change.
But before changing every little detail should be tought trough.
This system could be easily exposed for glitches and bugs

Eliminating bid bots would not be a good idea. Limiting the max bids on them would!
But by placing a max bid per bot per post, wouldn’t this just increase the number of bots?
I would also prefer a change in algorithm of the trending and hot pages. The one which ranks on the number of upvotes (maybe an other weight calculation added to it) but the other for sure one based on interaction. A post which lots of comments is more often a good post than one with a big pay out! (I do know that bits also place comments, but by using 10 bots, so 10 comments would not get a post on the Hot pages for instance).
Only interaction can really amke the Steem blockchain bigger!
I am not in a position to make judgement calls here because I occasionally do use a bot service.
@ned

Very good post and useful for me and for the crowd, thank you very much

Bidbot action





As a new user I have a question. That is how can I invest in steemit ?

The UX needs work. It is not as natural as twitter or FB. Although it is decentralized it does not need to be foreign. Overall website is a bit clunky and things are not readily available. I've been a member 24 hours and there has been a lot of digging on my part to figure everything out.

Hello, thank you for your service, congratulations.

Thanks

Weather Bidbot or Community never forget your good content will help the platform grow. Keep working hard

thanks man..that's good information, couse Iam new,,Steemer :)

It's good you mention this issue but I think bots should not be a problem. I think they even help steemit attract new investors for profit. It's business and we should always remember that. About the trending page and reputation of steemit, all we need to do is produce quality content. Anyone can bid on bots right? That means it's a fair game :)

Thing is bots are here to stay in the modern world. Whether it's a bot making a car that takes a job away or a poker bot or a world of warcraft bot. So how can we learn to coexist with them like we have learned to do with each other as humans in civilized society?

You gave really nice ideas

I very much agree with your opinion, not all can we count on with the material, the best effort that made the future more meaningful steemit. @alishannoor

thaits is grade ida if i can achieve most be some waye. I would also suggest following everybody you come in contact with through the comments too dear

Here are my 2 cents:

I have gone through most suggestions from @yallapapi to the last.

  1. Most of your suggestions are valid but time-consuming to implement. I write on many sites and my articles appear on the first page first line of google searches, except steemit (of course) :)

  2. I have a simple suggestion, while we figure out of how to use the bit bots, let's move all articles from trending to promoted and let it remain there

  3. Out of those on promoted, find some really good ones and move them to "trending". Early days may have to be done manually by some voluntary curators or witness, whichever is qualified to do the job.

Search for fastest cars and bikes in the world. Click on the first link that comes on google. You have found me!! (for the doubting Thomases :) )

Please provide a delete post button with terms and policies :)

@askanything is an educational tool that will upvote questions. You can all help @askanything to fill up its account by asking a question (please use the #asa tag) and transfer 50 % of your reward to @askanything. When @askanything will be powerfull enough, each question will be reward with $1 by @askanything. Making Steemit an even more wonderfull blogging platform and educational tool.

I'm a new member of Steemit. I have been trying to get a better understanding of how to work properly. I have learned a lot from your post. Thank you ... keep me in mind and keep everyone aside.
Follow Me

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I will follow you but tell me first where you go?

I wish the post promoter bots would disappear, I foresee a lot of future problems as long as we allow them to continue. I understand people’s insistence on freedom, but this is the kind of freedom that impedes on all of our freedom.....i don’t know what I can do to counter these bots without making powerful enemies and just shouting at a screen because it seems enough people with power disagree with me and the bidding bots are here to stay but as long as they are here we certainly do need some kind of agreed upon guidelines otherwise the money will all flow upward mostly based on usage of bid bots and quality content will take the backseat....

Do we want steemit to be social media with quality content, or do we want it to be a meaningless advertising platform without much substance?

Very good idea, inshah allah.

Greetings from Berlin

Too good, enjoy reading your article, congratulations, keep it that way

I think it's a good initiative, for the whole steemit community, it's a good idea

I think the rules will be effective . As i am a newcomer i should support the rule for me and steemit progress also....

wonderful post brother, what nice <3

I loved your contribution brother, greetings and follow the success

Someone should start some AI when the EOS blockchain goes production. Then we can make blockchains "auto" controlled and evaluate things like reputation in a much less easy to forge way. On top of it, using AI mechanisms or Deep Learning, we can boost other features, like, content search, pre-alerting of content to post (like... you are writing about this.. but someone already said the same as you... would you like to refer?)... and so on.

steemit is good site @@@@@@@@@

fine steemit earnihg post

Just stop posting about muh upvote bots. No more than that

bots are profitable?
if so how much profit?
can anyone tell?