Flagging comment spam is a regular part of curation. Let’s learn how!

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Hi Neighbors! This post is a reply to this inspiring post from Utopian-io.
https://steemit.com/utopian-io/@utopian-io/utopian-anti-abuse-let-s-spread-knowledge-awareness-and-participation Be sure to read about their new anti-abuse efforts.

Abuse Category:

Comment Spam

Repository

https://github.com/steemit/steem

Summary

After reading this I hope that you too will be able to identify spam. It’s important and easy for everyone to identify and avoid a few forms of comment spam.

Upvoting spam encourages spam. It also gives spammers the impression that they have a spammy-loving naive audience for them to spam all over. The spammers are looking to benefit through saturation.

Numbers! Don’t let’em trick ye. Flag that spam if your SP is high enough. Stay safe and keep reading to see how me and many other spam fighters approach comment spam.

Also learn how I use my little eyes to quickly scan over the new Steem accounts I encounter.

Let’s talk about the types of comment spam specifically. Three types of comment spam come to mind...

🐷 The aggrandizer 🐷

The aggrandizer says, “Nice blah, blah, blah, bro, dear… (sometimes your name in there)” types of comments.

They like to copy and paste their comment over and over and over again on different users' posts. Sometimes, this spammer thinks a small modification to their comments justifies rewards upon their useless comments.

How to spot an aggrandizer
If you look at their comments tab, the minor changes appear every 5 comments or so. There are small variations of comments to trick you into thinking it's not spam... but it is.

Possible reason for continuing this MO
The spammer isn’t really adding anything. They are just looking for a lazy/lonely person to give them an upvote with saturation in mind. Or they are under the illusion that a random whale will just happen to see their spammy comment and take pity.

I know, I know, it’s a money thing too… sometimes a fraction of one currency is worth a lot in another currency. Still, it’s annoying and nobody is entitled to be here on Steem. Did I say that already? Let's just move along.

🐷 The self-commenter 🐷

This might possibly be the very worst reward-pool-raping-comment-spammer there is. The spammer that comments to himself over and over and over and over again with small rewards on all of the self-replies they've fabricated.

The rewards are usually coming from self-upvotes via delegated SP, or simply through an alt account’s upvotes. This starts to sound like vote farming.

Even whales are prone to this abuse. They keep replying to a 4-month old post and upvote those comments.

How to spot a vote-farming self-commenter
The first type, we view the comments tab. For this type, simply view the “replies" tab in Steemit.

The spammer's comments are sometimes hidden within their own previous comments and therefore will not appear in the “comments” tab. You’ll notice many consecutive replies by the same user that owns the account.

Yup, they are the most abundant commenter in their own replies tab. That's because they are replying to their own replies over and over and over and over and over again. I’ve seen weeks worth of copy/pasted comments... from a bot that gets upvoted by a second irresponsible bid bot service.

Sounds a little like vote farming and bid bot abuse again!!! See this gif below for an example of this comment spammer.

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Possible reason for continuing this MO
This is the fastest way to earn curation rewards and it's not easily seen compared to shit posting. Delegated SP expires so self-voting comments and replies is the best ROI. Bid bots upvoting comments are available and you don't have to fight others with curation rewards. Yup, money thing again.

🐷 The greeter 🐷

The highly debated #introduceyourself tag comment spam kind of guy or gal. Only highly debated because someone around here needs to have a legitimate comment service or committee for greeting new users.

Anyway, the introduceyourself comment-tag-spam-sluts are a bunch of spammers that stalk the #introduceyourself tag leaving comments that supposedly greet new users. Take a look at this screen shot.

How to spot the greeter
I don't think I need to show you how to do this. But here it is.

Click that Steemit logo, under All tags you should see the famous #introduceyourself tag. Then take a pick of any of those posts and peruse the comments.

If your on a mobile device (iphone), press on your image icon, press on feed, press on "My Feed" and then scroll through the list that appears until you see the introduceyourself tag. Follow the red arrow in this GIF:

Steemseph Into Tag Iphone .gif

Do this if you are on a desktop computer. (PC)

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Possible reason they continue this MO
Wait, do we care? Let's try, no wait... no, yes, let's try...

Some commenters just upvote their own comments after greeting a newbie. Guaranteed vote farming.
Others flood the newbies with links and Discords. Will that constitute recruiting? For what?

I can debate the long term damage. Think about how you felt when you discovered that the person you were extremely grateful to was only copy/pasting comments just like the one you thought made you special?

Buzz kill! Bad first impression! Bad for Steem!

I would rather see a million comments from @TransparencyBot before one more of those fake intro tag comments. Hey,what introduction/new user outreach is better in your opinion?

I actually mentioned several types of spam/abuse above, but how do the Pros define and differentiate between it all?



Utopian-io defines comment spam and the similar abuses I mentioned like this:

Comment spam - Comment has been repeated multiple times without regard to the post. One or two-word comments in multiple succession from a non-bot account.
Spam - Repetitively posting articles/pictures/videos with the same and/or similar content, or recyling content after a period of time or across multiple accounts. Spinning one's own, previously published content, is also considered spam.
Vote farming - Churning out content in quick successions which receives upvotes of an unreasonable number and/or size. This includes faucet delegation vote farms, collusive voting farms and other large groups that are voting on spam-type content.


Our lovable friends at @SteemFlagRewards (SFR) define comment spam this way:

Comment Self Vote Violation... When user leaves a comment favorable about post, does not upvote said post, and proceeds to self vote their own comment in a manner that causes it to be overvalued relative to similar comments of that type.
Comment Spam...When a comment has been repeated multiple times without regard of context.

I would say it like this:

Comment Spam is basically another word for a white noise, static, blabber, nonsense, bull sh!t, or aggrandizing type of comment that doesn't deserve much of a rewards and that doesn't deserve the right to get in the way and create an inauthentic environment.

Can you think of more synonyms? Please share in the comments section for an upvote if you think it’s fun to create more synonyms at the expense of a spammer's spammy little feelings.

How To Start Tracking A Spammer:

You can start by looking at the comments you get from your post. If it's a new face, awesome! But wait.

  1. Is the comment appropriate for your post? If you answered yes, don't stop. Move to step 2.
  2. Who is this guy/gal? Check their profile.
  3. Click on their Comments Tab. Are the comments repeated/recycled?
  4. Click on their Replies Tab. Are they replying to their own comments? Are there other accounts replying to them?

If the new face cleared steps 3 and 4, you got yourself a new genuine visitor.

If not, you've probably got a SPAMMER!

Ok, you got a spammer. So what? Flag their comment? Hold on...

How To Stay Safe:

Send me all your money. Just kidding… a joke because it’s easy to stay safe. Just don’t flag anyone with larger SP than you and check to make sure they don’t have a whale friend backing them up. Sometimes the retaliation will come from the money account.

For example look at this spam supporter bliss7! We caught either Bliss7 or the account wanabe doing some bad stuff. Instead of seeking reconciliation or simply disappearing, bliss7 has decided to flag me and several other spam fighters. It happens, there's help I'm grateful for, we move on and sink or swim.

Does the spammer you're about to flag show another large SP account supporting it?

  1. Check where the spammer's largest upvotes are coming from. To do this, go to Steemd.com. Check this crap supporter for example https://steemd.com/@bliss7.



    We can easily see all their curation history. Both upvotes and down votes. Lol, bliss is pissed.

  2. For a broad look at voting activity, lets look at SteemWorld.org. Check this same spammer again for consistency https://steemworld.org/@bliss7.



    Lots of down votes, but lets just focus on the information that is available. Stop laughing, @admiralbot is really really sad...not!

  3. Check where a spammer’s delegations are coming from too. SteemWorld.org is my favorite place to check delegation activity. Let's look a different spammy guy that has actually stopped his retaliation flag activities. https://steemworld.org/@mat1973




    Either my GIF scared him, or my conversation with @Steevc did it... not sure, but my point is I used info from the "Delegation" button on SteemWorld.org to say to the spammer, "Hey, we know your friends, and we think they would also disagree with what you are doing." Something like that, maybe nicer. I'm usually nicer.

To Do It Too: Type steemworld.org/@(user’s steem name) or Steemd.com/@(user’s steem name) to see many details about your Steem neighbors. Isn’t transparency a beautiful thing?

Poverty is a bitch, but this is Steem and nobody is entitled to be here tarnishing other people’s investment values. There are many people willing to help others earn and learn how to be of service to this Steem communities. Investing time into relationships and effort is also important on Steem.


Resources

Anti Abuse: https://join.utopian.io/guidelines/
and: https://steemcleaners.org/abuse-guide/
Mucho Info: https://steemit.com/@roadscape
and https://steemit.com/@steemchiller


THANKS!

Thanks for the delegations to SFR! It really helps us further incentivise curation and education. Thanks for covering our backs sometimes too.
Big, Big, Big, Big, THANK YOU!

Thanks for reading.

I hope you learned something or I hope you remember to show this to someone that doesn't already know this information.
Preaching to the choir sounds nice, but I hope this article finds it’s way onto a path of a future spam fighter.


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Thank you for this wonderful anti-abuse post, @steemseph.

Comment spam is generously spread out on the blockchain. With your detailed guide, it is now easy for everyone to detect a comment spammer.

This submission is probably the first of its kind - a walk through for all Steemians to be comment spam detectives.

The 3 types of comment spam were properly defined. The "how to detect" is a great idea and definitely supports the Utopian antiabuse intitiative.

Couple of points that might have been missed and needs editing are:

  • The post title says "currion". Did you mean curation?
  • The first link is a broken link. If you fix that, you don't need the URL on the next line.
  • "(Try new pumpkin divider here)" - Is that a new anti-abuse tool? :)

Overall, it's a great post. We hope to see more of these from you and other anti-abuse supporters.

If you need to discuss your review, I can give a follow up comment, if requested.


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I think an even simpler form of step by step detection processes could be welcomed. What if this post was boiled down to 3 or 4 sets of 9 step instructions? Similar to bug reporting, approach so that someone else could reproduce the steps. Hmm, not sure who that help though... I’ll be thinking.

Yikes!!! Miss-spellings in the title is potentially fatal on Steem. 😐 I’ve learned a lot creating this post.

Yes, new anti-abuse tool, pumpkin guts.

Thanks for your support! Thanks for sharing your skills and reviewing for Utopian.

Oh crapes without butter! I forgot to mention that gif you made for me... I missed a few things, but I always get better... a little.
Thanks again @lovenfreedom

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Thank you for your review, @lovenfreedom!

So far this week you've reviewed 1 contributions. Keep up the good work!

Wow what a long post. When I opened it I didn't want to read it it was so big. Once I got started it was an easy read.

Love the gif it is a nice touch. Thanks for doing an incredible job and putting so much effort into this post.

Wow how long did this take to produce? Are the little pigs some kind of a subliminal message to @flugschwein? HE HE

Poor @admiralbot he is getting all those Bliss 7 flags.

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LMAO, I almost added a bunch of pinball stuff but it seemed a little far fetched. It does look long and boring at first but then that GIF with the instructions on how to find the info tag on a PC got you hooked, right?! 😁

Short answer: It took about 7-9 day to create. I had to learn the devilish details of a few things this time around, but I’ll get faster.
Blah blah blah: I started writing the body of the post a few weeks ago... or almost a month ago. After seeing the Utopian post I decided to make it work for that. I had some excellent help and encouragement too!

Yeah 🐷’s are spammy looking, but they smell like an old barstool’s busted seat cushion. @flugscheein is a highly evolved creature possibly sent here from computer heaven. Total different, he has wings and smells more like a bacon maple donut (or maple “Long John” with bacon).

Isn’t there a classic tank called the admiral... there should be.

What a great post. There are certain comments on my posts that raise my suspicions, especially if they look too generic. Checking that person's comment history will confirm if they are a spammer and they may find themselves flagged.

There's a nasty type that posts pointless comments which they give a big vote without giving anything to the original post. Please don't give them any encouragement. Report them to the people doing Steem Flag Rewards and we'll take care of them as far as we can.

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Thanks @steevc that means a lot to me. You're a great service to the Steem community and that type of concern for checking the commenter’s authenticity practices is a very reasonable expectation for all Steem users. I’m glad you shared your approach. It’s probably an obvious practice for some of us, but new users benefit from hearing us speak about it.

Thanks for your support and bravery my Chickn’ Pickn’ friend! (Hellcasters are awesome therefore “Chickin Pickin” is a compliment, especially comeing from this “big fingered” little stinker.)
🎸

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It's my pleasure to support those who want to make this a better place

Looks like that Bliss guy really hates you. I was surprised he's left me alone for the most part now.

But yeah, the #introduceyourself tag is painful to look at for me. Then, you have the comment spammer who vote for themselves on day 6 to avoid suspicion.

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I think I got him stuck in my fer when I upvoted and interacted with he and @Steevc probably some well deserved follow on flags too.

That tag is a can a worms. Most of the into tag spammers are abusing in a different way.
Day six strategy, shhh.

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Look on the bright side, it's hard to bring you down now. :D

Good post.

Giggles! About time someone explains how to separate spam from a person who speaks no English. Before you flag I think it's a good idea to first find out who/what you are dealing with. Sometimes I see something I think is spam, but when I dig deeper I find someone expressing their appreciation for a video or picture in the only English words they know. Sometimes the reverse is true and I find someone posting massive amounts of copied comments all over. I also do not have any objections to someone linking another's video in their post, but they should at a minimum include a bit of text, explaining why they are doing so.

Thanks for working to improve the issues/definitions. Greetings!

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Giggles? That’s good, but the missspelled stuff was an accident.
Ohhh, yes, the language differences... yes, kinda forgot about that. Lots to talk about, but worth mention it along with this always.
Also, checking to see just how old an account is, to see if maybe a real person can be reasoned with, is a compassionate practice... giving warnings or polite advise... all good point for a follow up, or piggy back. 😁
Thanks for caring and commenting.

I am glad others have taken on the task of this sort of thing, as I don't really bother. I think it's probably more about my own self involved time on the platform, that I don't bother flagging or investigating those who might be doing so.

Of course I am just plankton, thus not a target for spamming, if that changed maybe I would change my tune. But, it is good that others are willing to police it, so good job.

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I love your ink series. Those posts deserve lots of upvotes. https://steemit.com/inktober/@donnadavisart/inktober-day-21-and-22-combined-expensive-drain

https://steemit.com/inktober/@donnadavisart/inktober-days-19-and-20-combined-scorched-breakable

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You @donnadavisart can help without flagging too if you want. If your ears start ringing it’s good. I’m either talking about how someone can pay you or I’m thinking about how I can pay you for your talent if you would like to participate.

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Thank you so much, of course I'd love more upvotes, who wouldn't?

Well, I hope my ears ring, as I'd love to participate and things and I love getting paid, so win win :)

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I quickly mentioned you in a live radio show today. I saw your name in the server for PAL Discord, right? They were talking about steemflagrewards and someone mentioned involving all types of people's "talent" with flag curation and as anti-abuse support. I hope something comes of that. I also want to be able to suggest your artistic services to other anti-abuse efforts, but I'm not sure how yet. I see a need for original imagery or parodies.

Fun
The other project I hoped could use your service only does "volunteer", but that doesn't mean I can't pay you something for something and then apply it to that project, right? I've been a full-time musician for almost 9 years, because I don't volunteer my music. I hope we can work out something beneficial. I'll start saving up my Steem if I need to.

I imagine describing a project requiring 7-9 pieces of your work... create some bosses/enemies and maybe some blog post type of accessories to maintain it's theme. It would be for a run of the game known as Interactive Battle Tournament. I want to create a 7 stage IBT like they already do, but with your art instead. Mimic stuff that has already been done in the previous IBTs, but help me create an ice themed parody. I would do the art and stuff and it would be posted with the bot that runs the game, @wizardzap

These three links are a few older examples of IBT.

https://steemit.com/ibt/@lordnigel/interactive-battle-tournament-9-last-chance-to-enrol-and-win-20-steem-easy

https://steemit.com/ibt/@lordnigel/interactive-battle-tournament-6-stage-six-fight

https://steemit.com/ibt/@wizardzap/welcome-to-the-ibt-development-zone-player-vs-player-trial-3-games-on-steemit

Yes, lets create a win win. I don't hear that enough in life.
Thanks

Flagging spammers/scammers is so important for Steemit! Thanks for all you do @steemseph. I do feel like it's been getting less and less. Or maybe the spammers/scammers just don't come my way anymore knowing they'll get flagged. lol.

Anyways, I was dropping by to tell you about the new 'Show Us Your California' contest we are doing for #socalsteemit. We'd love to have you participate!
https://steemit.com/mycalifornia/@socalsteemit/show-us-your-california-contest-week-2

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Yes, if the spammer come your way I will flag them. :) I think HF20 helped some. Thanks for supporting me and believing in our anti-abuse efforts.

Did you say,

Show Us Your California Contest?!

Thanks for letting me know. I have a DTLA series that would be perfect and I have a post burning a hole in the darft folder in my pocket too!

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Hi @steemseph,
We wanted to let you know that this weeks Show Us Your California contest has started! We'd love to have you participate. We've got 4SBI up for grabs this week!

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Thanks for the reminder!!! I needed that. I’m almost done with something!

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Awesome collaboration!
Thanks for the upvote and for supporting the authentic Steem community @steem-ua.

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Thanks for inspiring awareness on the Steem block chain. I'm also grateful for the personal support and the opportunity to participate. You have an excellent team of people working on anti-abuse initiative. More to come. :)

The spammer has spammed! Loling!


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!popcorn

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I almost flag a witness account because he keep repeating in his comments to vote for him and I've done so before he asked 😂 I can't imagine if a plankton like me flagging the orcas.

Anyway.. thanks for sharing this, I told those who don't speak english account to change their habbit on commenting in english.. they'd better use their own language so no body would flag them for typing "good post brother" on a girl's account.

Little warning to all wannabe 'cleaners' .

Since we all operate here on limited 'steem rewards pool' and 'less for them = more for me' could be easily called THEFT . Especially on the large scale (flagging by bots)

I would suggest caution , because you may be breaking the law . And also
if you are a user that is attacked by so called 'cleaners' I suggest reporting them to the FBI https://www.fbi.gov/tips

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They are potential rewards and it is up to the community to vote them up or down as they see fit. They are not your rewards until the post has gone through its 7-day window. There is no theft, just upvoting and downvoting and community consensus to what a post should payout.

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That 'community' you are hiding behind is actually YOU , few of your buddies and army of bots . And all STEEM you take away from other users ends up on your accounts .
I don't know (yet) who is the brain behind this scheme but I have to admit , it is quite cunning and it took me some time to connect all the dots .
You are going down my friend

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You are mistaken. There are many scams here on Steem and I understand your disappointed.
This is not one of those scams and it’s probably healthier to admit you’ve been caught. The community supports authentic efforts.

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Again, your ignorance is legendary.